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Handwriting Analysis

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(Copy of Handwriting will come soon!!)

Day 1: Slant in Handwriting

So I found out that because my writing kind of slants midway between vertical and hard right slanted that I'm an AMBIVERT. I was very interested to learn that I relate to both INTROVERTS and EXTROVERTS. To be totally honest, I really don't know who those people are..lol.

One very interesting fact that I thought was very true was how it said that I keep a level head even when there’s an existence of emotional feelings such as empathy, sympathy and even passion.

Day 2: Intelligence and Mental Patterns.

Looking at M's and N's it was hard to finally decide which one related to me and to my surprise it was the CUMULATIVE THINKER. Thanks to having rounded M's and N's I have learned that I need to have all the facts before making a decision.

Another great point is though I may take a bit longer to learn but because of that I'm able to remember a lot quickly. Also I’m suppose to be very creative and good with my hands. This fact is so true!! I couldn’t actually believe that most of this information was correct.

Day 3: Traits of the lower case t.

It wasn’t long before I found what kind of T I write. I was a bit disappointed in it being called LOW SELF-ESTEEM. So apparently I fear failure and resists change. I guess that could be correct. I also remain within a bad relationship for to long and can always find imperfections in myself. So darn true, hmm ok so I guess LOW SELF-ESTEEM could be correct in its title.

Day 4: Lower Zones: Love, Sex, and Relationships.

Y : Apparently my Y’s show that I’m Exaggerated, Imagination and Sex Drive. What? Totally confused me to death, at first I thought they were saying that I’m Imaginative with Sex...lol. -.- I’m not going to respond..lol. Anyway, it says what it says. *Blushes*

Day 5: Irritating Personality Traits

This one took me a while; it seemed that I couldn’t find the write one. So after a bit of a guessing I just decided that my writing looked like Defiance. The name again blows, but I will go with it. It stated that I’m a defiant person and resists others authority. Well that’s partly true, but the defiant part, I guess it just depends on who it is.

That next part was a bit stretched and completely isn’t true. Something about being seen with resentment and being told what to do was a sign of rebellion in young people. GASPS!!! That is so not true!! I’m not young..lol.. and I don’t need to rebel because I’m my own boss now..lol. Maybe when I was teenager I possibly had been a bit rebellious....... *smirks*
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Well, this has finally been fixed, so here we go:

1. I have vertical writing.
Quote :
You use judgment to make decisions. You are ruled by your head, not
your heart. You are a cool, collected person who is usually
inexpressive emotionally. Some may see you as unemotional. You do have
emotions but has no need to express them. You are withdrawn into
yourself and enjoys being alone. The circumstances when you do express
emotions include: extreme anger, extreme passion, and tremendous
stress. If someone gets you mad enough to tell them off, you're not
sorry about it later. You put a mark in your mind when someone angers
you. You keep track of these marks and when you hit that last mark you
let them know they have gone too far. You are ruled somewhat by
self-interest. All of your conclusions are made without outside
emotional influence. You are very level-headed and will remain calm in
an emergency situation. In a situation where other people might get
hysterical, you have poise. You will work more efficiently if given
space and time to be alone. You would rather not be surrounded by
people constantly. In a relationship, you show your love by the things
you do rather than by the things you say. Saying "I love you" is not a
needed routine because you feel your mate should already know. The only
exception to this is if you have logically concluded that it is best
for your mate to hear you express your love verbally. You are not
subject to emotional appeals. If someone is selling a product to you,
they will need to present only the facts. They should present them from
a standpoint of your sound judgment. You not be taken in by an
emotional story about someone else. You meet emergencies without
getting hysterical and you always ask "Is this best for me?"

Well this is mostly true. I am a very logical person, prefer working and generally being alone, and stay calm and collected in emergencies. I dunno about the whole 'mark in your mind' thing, but I suppose I do have my limits and though I am usually very tolerant if people tick me off one time too many I will explode at them. So I suppose that's right too. When I read the part about 'saying I love you is not a needed routine' I was like, yeah it is! But then I read the line immediately after and...*cough* Okay, they nailed that one too. Though I never thought of it that way. Oh yeah, and I hate hearing people's sob stories just cuz they want money, but if someone is telling a sad story about a relative I will feel bad for them. So yeah, I agree with this one almost completely.

2. My letters are of average size and height.
Quote :
People that write their letters in an average height and average size
are moderate in their ability to interact socially. According to the
data input, you don't write too large or too small, indicating a
balanced ability to be social and interact with others.

Well yeah, I don't completely suck in social situations and I can get along if I try, but I do prefer being alone, like was just discussed above.

3. My d's and t's are high, I think.
Quote :
You demand respect and expect others to treat you with honor and
dignity. You believe in your ideas and will expect other people to also
respect them. You have a lot of pride.

Yes, I do have a lot of pride. But I never demand anyone treat me any particular way. I don't really care whether or not anyone else believes in my ideas, except for the people I am really close to. As long as I believe in myself, I don't need confirmation of that...so this one's only half-right. But then, maybe my d's and t's aren't as tall as they think they are. XD

4. Something about the loops on the o's.
Quote :
You are secretive. You have secrets which you do not wish to share with
others. You intentionally conceal things about yourself. You have a
private side that you intend to keep that way, especially concerning
certain events in your past.

Oh ho! Ah...who doesn't have secrets? I will only say that I am lucky in that I haven't had a particularly traumatic past, so my secrets, if any, are nothing special. I don't intentionally keep secrets...I just don't tell everyone all my business. I prefer to keep to myself. ^^

5. The loops in my k's are pronounced.
Quote :
You can be defiant. You sometimes have the attitude that if someone
doesn't like it the way you are doing it, then they can just "go to
hell!" This trait may reveal itself in a rebellious nature that is
always ready to resist forces which you think are infringing upon your
freedom of action.

Yep. So very true. *shrug* If you don't like it, well...

6. M's and N's slant downwards slightly.
Quote :
Diplomacy is one of you's best attributes. You have the ability to say
what others want to hear. You can have tact with others. You have the
ability to state things in such a way as to not offend someone else.
You can disagree without being disagreeable.

In a way...well, I did always manage to talk my way out of sticky school situations, so maybe. On the other hand, sometimes I wish I knew the right thing to say. I am very good at disagreeing in a nice way...I'd say this is about 85 percent right.

7. Loops of M's and N's are half rounded, half pointy.
Quote :
In reference to your mental abilities, you have a very investigating
and creating mind. You investigate projects rapidly because you are
curious about many things. You get involved in many projects that seem
good in the beginning, but you soon must slow down and look at all the
angles. You probably get too many things going at once. When you slow
down, you become more creative than before. Since it takes time to be
creative, you must slow down to do it. You then decide what projects
you have time to finish. Thus you finish at a slower pace than when you
started the project. You have the best of two kinds of minds. One is
the quick investigating mind. The other is the creative mind. Your mind
thinks quick and rapidly in the investigative mode. You can learn
quicker, investigate more, and think faster. You can then switch into
your low gear. When you are in the slower mode, you can be creative,
remember longer and stack facts in a logical manner. You are more
logical this way and can climb mental mountains with a much better grip.

Interesting. I do tend to start projects enthusiastically and quickly, and then slow down when I realize all the technical difficulties. I would love to say I always finish them too, but I'm so very lazy sometimes...it depends what the project is for and about, really. As for that heap of compliments...well at times, usually when I've just completed some complicated project, I feel like a genius. While writing, I usually feel smart. The rest of the time, I feel that my mental capabilites are very average. So whatever. *shrugs*

8. The t-bar is even on both sides.
Quote :
You are a practical person whose goals are planned, practical, and down
to earth. This is typical of people with normal healthy self-esteem.
You need to visualize the end of a project before you start. You find
joy in anticipation and planning. Notice that I said you plan
everything you are going to do, that doesn't necessarily mean things go
as planned. You basically feels good about yourself. You have a
positive self-esteem which contributes to your success. You feel you
have the ability to achieve anything you set your mind to. However, you
set your goals using practicality-- not too "out of reach". You have
enough self-confidence to leave a bad situation, yet, you not take
great risks, as they relate to your goals. A good esteem is one key to
a happy life. Although there is room for improvement in the confidence
category, your self-perception is better than average.

I think they just about nailed this one and I have nothing to add. *grin*

9. T-bar has a knife edge to the right.
Quote :
You are sarcastic. This is a defense mechanism designed to protect your
ego when you feel hurt. You poke people harder than you get poked.
These sarcastic remarks can be very funny. They can also be harsh,
bitter, and caustic at the same time.

Ah...I don't like hurting people...unless they've hurt me. But still, that whole poking thing...not so sure about that. I admit I can be sarcastic but my remarks used to be more caustic when I was in my early teens. I have lightened up a lot in recent years, and kinda let everything bounce off...so yeah, I suppose when I do get hurt, I am sarcastic, bitter, etc. But I rarely get hurt. ^^

10. Fishhook loop on Y:
Quote :
Something is incomplete in you's life. You feel frustration relating to
your physical needs and desires. Somewhere in your life there is some
disappointment, non-fulfillment, and interruption. This is very likely
to relate to you's sexual needs.

*laughs* This one is really funny. And true. No further comment.

Medium loop on Y:
Quote :
You have a healthy imagination and displays a fair amount of trust. You
let new people into your circle of friends. You use your imagination to
understand new ideas, things, and people.

My imagination is healthy I guess, but my circle of friends isn't very large. I'm not that social, remember? But of course I'd never BAR anyone from my circle of friends. So...yeah.

Big loop on the Y.
Quote :
You exaggerates about everything that has a physical nature. Although
you may not intend to deceive or mislead, you blow things way out of
proportion because that is the way you view them. You be a good story
teller. This exaggeration relates to all areas of your material world.
You allows many people into your life because you are accepting and
trusting. You are sometimes called gullible by your friends. That only
really means that you trust too many people. You have a vivid
imagination.

Okay, so my loop isn't really that big. It's about medium, but there was only a choice between tiny and huge...maybe there was a medium one that I missed. Anyway, so this is half right. I can be incredibly gullible, but only for a few seconds, at most a few minutes, until my logical side kicks in and begins assessing the situation. I be a good storyteller, that be correct. Several people have told me this. I have a vivid imagination, but rarely blow things up out of proportion. I usually present the dry facts, with my opinion and imagination lightly sprinkled over them. And I do not trust many people. At least, not with anything important. Growing up in New York as I have, it would be ridiculous if I trusted nearly everyone.

Extra Credit--for the analysis I wrote something in cursive, but this is the way I usually write. My print is not much prettier than my cursive--more like a lazy scrawl than anything else--but ah, that's what computers are for! So here it is, from high school when I wrote fanfic during class:

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You use judgment to make decisions. You are ruled by your head, not your heart. You are a cool, collected person who is usually inexpressive emotionally. Some may see you as unemotional. You do have emotions but has no need to express them. You are withdrawn into yourself and enjoys being alone. The circumstances when you do express emotions include: extreme anger, extreme passion, and tremendous stress. If someone gets you mad enough to tell them off, you're not sorry about it later. You put a mark in your mind when someone angers you. You keep track of these marks and when you hit that last mark you let them know they have gone too far. You are ruled somewhat by self-interest. All of your conclusions are made without outside emotional influence. You are very level-headed and will remain calm in an emergency situation. In a situation where other people might get hysterical, you have poise. You will work more efficiently if given space and time to be alone. You would rather not be surrounded by people constantly. In a relationship, you show your love by the things you do rather than by the things you say. Saying "I love you" is not a needed routine because you feel your mate should already know. The only exception to this is if you have logically concluded that it is best for your mate to hear you express your love verbally. You are not subject to emotional appeals. If someone is selling a product to you, they will need to present only the facts. They should present them from a standpoint of your sound judgment. You not be taken in by an emotional story about someone else. You meet emergencies without getting hysterical and you always ask "Is this best for me?"

This whole statement is spot on. I'm not the type of person to regularly shows emotion, unless I really need to. I'm fond of being alone, I find that just chilling by myself in my room or at the computer I have time to think throuhg a lot of things and I don't have the added stress of having to entertain someone I may be with. The whole saying 'I love you' thing is certainly true. I find love a very complex thing and rarely say it, something which is more than likely an effect of my parents divorce. I do tend to wrork better when I'm alone - one of the main reasons I don't do essays in a library. I find it better doing them at home - I feel I can contentrate better in my own surroundings. I am certainly ruled by self-interest. As selfish as it may sound, if something is going to be better for me then I'll do it, regardless of what anyone else says or does. All in all, this staement has me and my personality down to a T.

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People that write their letters in an average height and average size are moderate in their ability to interact socially. According to the data input, you don't write too large or too small, indicating a balanced ability to be social and interact with others.

Again I agree totally with this statement. It's somewhat vital for me to have some kind of social ability considering my choice of career and what I'm interested in. I do Drama at University and it requires me to socially interact with people, weather I want to or not. As said in the previous statement, I do like to be alone - but not always. I do know when to interact with people, I regularly spend time with friends in and outside Uni. The fact that I work part-time as a sales assistant also requires me to interact with collegues and costumers, so I as the statement shows, I'm not a complete social recluse.

My O's are round and closed
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You will be candid and direct when expressing your opinion. You tell them what you think if they ask for it, whether they like it or not. So, if they don't really want your opinion, don't ask for it!

Nomrally I tend to keep thoughts and opinions to myself, unless, as this states, they ask for it. I don't set out to cause trouble and usually go about my daily life not expressing any kind of opinion until I am asked for it. And when I'm asked for it, I'm straight to the point. If my opinion isn't taken to well by whoever hears it then boo-hoo on them, they shouldn't have asked in the first place!

My M's and N's are curved round
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You are a cumulative and procedural thinker. You like to have all the facts before making a decision. You think or create much like a brick mason, stacking fact upon fact. Your thought pattern or the conclusion will not be complete until the last fact is in place. Like that brick wall, you learn faster through visual demonstration than through quick verbal instructions. Once you have learned new material, and understand it, you don't forget. You are a methodical thinker, therefore you are able to build things and come up with new ideas. In an argument, you often lose to rapid thinking people because you are thinking thirty minutes later about what you should have said. Often you will be very book smart, but can be out-gunned in a rapid fire verbal debate. You might learn new ideas at a slower pace than other "less detailed" people, but once you get it, you can handle repetition. Some people hate jobs with too much repetition, you can handle it better than most.

Again this statement has me down word for word. Generally I do learn faster and better through visual aids than verbal. I get bored very quickly listening to someone talk and talk about something. I rarely do things until I have everything I believe I need - until I know I have all facts I feel I need about something. I do tend to 'lose to rapid thinking people.' I like to sit and think about things, while others are quick to start talking. Even back at school in English, people would be better at debates than I would because I had to sit and think about what I wanted to say. And by the time I thought of it, someone else had more than likely already said it !
I can indeed handle repetition as I guess I'm used to it by now. Repetition is heavily featured in Drama and Dance, something which I've had to get used to.

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You are a practical person whose goals are planned, practical, and down to earth. This is typical of people with normal healthy self-esteem. You need to visualize the end of a project before you start. You find joy in anticipation and planning. Notice that I said you plan everything you are going to do, that doesn't necessarily mean things go as planned. You basically feels good about yourself. You have a positive self-esteem which contributes to your success. You feel you have the ability to achieve anything you set your mind to. However, you set your goals using practicality-- not too "out of reach". You have enough self-confidence to leave a bad situation, yet, you not take great risks, as they relate to your goals. A good esteem is one key to a happy life. Although there is room for improvement in the confidence category, your self-perception is better than average.

Righto, this I don't really agree with. My goals are certainly not down to earth. Education goals, maybe. Career goals, no. I aspire to be an actress or work in PR, both fields are extremely hard to break into. I also don't have a 'normal, healthy self-esteem.' Doing Drama people tend to believe you are an extremely confident person, which is not always the case. Infact, that is quite stereotypical for an actor. My self-esteem, althogh slightly better now than it used to be, is quite low. I'm not the most confident and very rarely belive in myself. I do like to plan everything before I do it and do take some risks.

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You are sarcastic. This is a defense mechanism designed to protect your ego when you feel hurt. You poke people harder than you get poked. These sarcastic remarks can be very funny. They can also be harsh, bitter, and caustic at the same time.

I agree with this slightly. I am possibly the most sarcastic person one could meet in person. However I don't for one minute believe that it is a defence mechanism. In person I am sarcastic basically 24/7 and it is always funny as people around me are used to it. Very, very rarely are my sarcastic comments harsh or bitter.

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You have a temper. You use this as a defense mechanism when you don't understand how to handle a situation. Temper is a hostile trait used to protect the ego. Temper can be a negative personality trait in the eyes of those around you.

Ohhhhhh yes. I agree with this. I have such a nasty temper on me and I do believe that it is somewhat a defense mechanism. I rarely do have a temper, but when I do it's BAD ! So I'm not surprised it's viewed as a negative personality trait.

Y's have a fish hook loop
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Something is incomplete in you's life. You feel frustration relating to your physical needs and desires. Somewhere in your life there is some disappointment, non-fulfillment, and interruption. This is very likely to relate to you's sexual needs.

Hum. I tend to agree that generally I do feel my life is incomplete. More often than not I think that something is missing and that there has to be a hell of a lot more to life. And I do think that it's something a lot more than my sexual needs lol

Some Y loops are open and large
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You have a very unusual lower zone y loop. If the data input is correct, you's y or g is large and opens up to the left side of the page. This is not a common trait, but the implications are very interesting. As you begin to study handwriting analysis, you will learn any loop indicates imagination. This lower loop indicates the amount of imagination you have regarding sex and physical things. Your lower zone stroke is large, so your sexual imagination is large and open. Furthermore, because the loop is incomplete and extends to the left, this indicates a particular fascination with certain aspects of sexuality that have not been fulfilled, yet. In a nutshell, you are open to some very new ideas sexually and is willing to try anything once.

Hahahahaha. Ok, erm I do tend to agree with this statement, especially the last sentence. And I think I'm going to leave it at that !!

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Here is your handwriting analysis.

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You use judgment to make decisions. You are ruled by your head, not your heart. You are a cool, collected person who is usually inexpressive emotionally. Some may see you as unemotional. You do have emotions but has no need to express them. You are withdrawn into yourself and enjoys being alone. The circumstances when you do express emotions include: extreme anger, extreme passion, and tremendous stress. If someone gets you mad enough to tell them off, you're not sorry about it later. You put a mark in your mind when someone angers you. You keep track of these marks and when you hit that last mark you let them know they have gone too far. You are ruled somewhat by self-interest. All of your conclusions are made without outside emotional influence. You are very level-headed and will remain calm in an emergency situation. In a situation where other people might get hysterical, you have poise. You will work more efficiently if given space and time to be alone. You would rather not be surrounded by people constantly. In a relationship, you show your love by the things you do rather than by the things you say. Saying "I love you" is not a needed routine because you feel your mate should already know. The only exception to this is if you have logically concluded that it is best for your mate to hear you express your love verbally. You are not subject to emotional appeals. If someone is selling a product to you, they will need to present only the facts. They should present them from a standpoint of your sound judgment. You not be taken in by an emotional story about someone else. You meet emergencies without getting hysterical and you always ask "Is this best for me?"

I’d have to say that probably half of this is pretty true. I’m always the person that can stay calm in an emergency situation. I don’t like to show panic, fear or sadness in front of others. Those emotions I prefer to keep to myself, and express them privately in my own time in my own space. I’m never sorry about what I say to people later, if it gets to the point where I have to verbally express my anger, then they deserve it. I do like to be alone, but only at times. I love being around people at other times. When someone is selling something to me, I do prefer the facts but I can get drawn in by emotional stories. I don’t do anything in self-interest really. I ask if what I plan to do will help the people I care about.

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People that write their letters in an average height and average size are moderate in their ability to interact socially. According to the data input, you don't write too large or too small, indicating a balanced ability to be social and interact with others.

I agree with this statement, I mean I can get along with people pretty well when I want to and I choose to. Though I’m not the best at it, I can still do it.

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You are sensitive to criticism about your ideas and philosophies. You sometimes worry what people will think if you tell them what you believe in. This doesn't mean you won't talk, or that you feel ashamed. It merely means you are sensitive to what others think, regarding your beliefs.

This is also correct. I do feel like people will react badly if I tell them what I believe in and I’m often afraid that they won’t like me because of it or that I will be judged for it. I do care a lot about what others have to say or think about my beliefs, but I do still talk about them quite a bit.

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Loops on left and right sides of o’s:
Regarding honesty, you are basically honest with a tendency to lie in certain circumstances. This results from a combination of secretiveness (the desire to keep things private) and self deceit (the desire to not accept something in your life at the moment). You deliberately stray from or evade the truth. You feel the truth is not what you want people to know. This is not always bad. Have you ever known a good secretary that could not say "the Boss isn't in", when the Boss is standing next to the phone? When you are in a position that you can't find a truthful way out, you might prevaricate.

Yes, once more this is a very true thing about me. I do have a tendency to lie when I have to. I do keep things from people if I don’t think they’ll like what I have to say or if I worry that it’ll get me into some trouble. I do like to tell the truth whenever I can, but there are certain times when I’d just rather not.

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You are a cumulative and procedural thinker. You like to have all the facts before making a decision. You think or create much like a brick mason, stacking fact upon fact. Your thought pattern or the conclusion will not be complete until the last fact is in place. Like that brick wall, you learn faster through visual demonstration than through quick verbal instructions. Once you have learned new material, and understand it, you don't forget. You are a methodical thinker, therefore you are able to build things and come up with new ideas. In an argument, you often lose to rapid thinking people because you are thinking thirty minutes later about what you should have said. Often you will be very book smart, but can be out-gunned in a rapid fire verbal debate. You might learn new ideas at a slower pace than other "less detailed" people, but once you get it, you can handle repetition. Some people hate jobs with too much repetition, you can handle it better than most.

This one is a bit tough, it’s kinda right and kinda wrong at the same time. I do like to have all the facts before I make a decision, because otherwise I worry that I might make the wrong one. I do like repetition, because I like having a routine. However, I hate doing at a slow pace and vision demonstration often annoys me. I prefer to have things in verbal instructions. And although I do like the facts to be all there I can come up with a quick argument in no problem, because I’ll worry about what I should have said later after I go quickly through it.

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You are a practical person whose goals are planned, practical, and down to earth. This is typical of people with normal healthy self-esteem. You need to visualize the end of a project before you start. You find joy in anticipation and planning. Notice that I said you plan everything you are going to do, that doesn't necessarily mean things go as planned. You basically feels good about yourself. You have a positive self-esteem which contributes to your success. You feel you have the ability to achieve anything you set your mind to. However, you set your goals using practicality-- not too "out of reach". You have enough self-confidence to leave a bad situation, yet, you not take great risks, as they relate to your goals. A good esteem is one key to a happy life. Although there is room for improvement in the confidence category, your self-perception is better than average.

Wow, erm- only a little part of this is true. Probably the first line and like the sentences three, four, and five. But for the rest of this, I have like zero self-esteem it’s horrible I’m often told to like myself more and grow some self-esteem.


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Extremely exaggerated loop in y:
You have a very unusual lower zone y loop. If the data input is correct, you's y or g is large and has triangle shape to the lower loop. This is not a common trait, but the implications are very interesting. As you begin to study handwriting analysis, you will learn any loop indicates imagination. This lower loop indicates the amount of imagination you have regarding sex and physical things. Your lower zone stroke is large, so your sexual imagination is large and open. Furthermore, because the loop has a triangle shape, this indicates a particular curiosity with certain aspects of sexuality. In a nutshell, you are open to some very new ideas sexually and is willing to try anything once. I'd say you are quite a dynamic and playful lover. Watch out world!

… erm- right… *blushes* I’d really rather not talk about this one, if you don’t mind…


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My puter is being stupid so i had to print screen the report and my thoughts instead of typing them.

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Here is my handwriting analysis:
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You are moderately outgoing. Your emotions are stirred by sympathy and heart rendering stories. In fact, you can be kind, friendly, affectionate and considerate of others. You have the ability to put yourself into the other peoples shoes. You will be somewhat moody, with highs and lows. Sometimes you'll be happy, the next day you might be sad. You have the unique ability to get along equally well with what psychology calls introverts and extroverts. This is because you are in between. Psychology calls you an ambivert. You understand the needs of both types. Although they get along, you not tolerate anyone that is too "far out". You don't sway too far one way or the other. When convincing you to buy a product or an idea, a heart rendering story could mean a great deal to you. You put yourself in the same situation as the person in the story, yet you not buy anything that seems overly impractical or illogical. You are an expressive person. You outwardly shows your emotions. You might even show traces of tears when hearing a sad story. You are a "middle-of-the-roader", politically as well as logically. You weigh both sides of an issue, sit on the fence, and then will decide when you finally have to. You basically don't relate to any far out ideas and usually won't go to the extreme on any issue.


I dont know.. its kind of true but kind of not.. I mean I am very emotional.. and moody.. but Im a definate democrat in the politicall sense.. well.. I dont know.. sometimes people mistake me for a republican... I dont know... ENGLISH : Class 2 : Handwriting Analysis 410894

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People that write their letters in an average height and average size are moderate in their ability to interact socially. According to the data input, you don't write too large or too small, indicating a balanced ability to be social and interact with others.

I guess thats true.. Im not sure ENGLISH : Class 2 : Handwriting Analysis 410894


ENGLISH : Class 2 : Handwriting Analysis Q24_1094009778 You are secretive. You have secrets which you do not wish to share with others. You intentionally conceal things about yourself. You have a private side that you intend to keep that way, especially concerning certain events in your past.


.... *looks at shoes* I agree

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You can be defiant. You sometimes have the attitude that if someone doesn't like it the way you are doing it, then they can just "go to hell!" This trait may reveal itself in a rebellious nature that is always ready to resist forces which you think are infringing upon your freedom of action.

..... *looks at shoes* I dont know Elfie.. what do you think... *Thinks back on all the mods...* ok so MAYBE its one hundred percent true.



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In reference to your mental abilities, you have a very investigating and creating mind. You investigate projects rapidly because you are curious about many things. You get involved in many projects that seem good in the beginning, but you soon must slow down and look at all the angles. You probably get too many things going at once. When you slow down, you become more creative than before. Since it takes time to be creative, you must slow down to do it. You then decide what projects you have time to finish. Thus you finish at a slower pace than when you started the project. You have the best of two kinds of minds. One is the quick investigating mind. The other is the creative mind. Your mind thinks quick and rapidly in the investigative mode. You can learn quicker, investigate more, and think faster. You can then switch into your low gear. When you are in the slower mode, you can be creative, remember longer and stack facts in a logical manner. You are more logical this way and can climb mental mountains with a much better grip.

Uhm... sure... yeah...



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You are a practical person whose goals are planned, practical, and down to earth. This is typical of people with normal healthy self-esteem. You need to visualize the end of a project before you start. You find joy in anticipation and planning. Notice that I said you plan everything you are going to do, that doesn't necessarily mean things go as planned. You basically feels good about yourself. You have a positive self-esteem which contributes to your success. You feel you have the ability to achieve anything you set your mind to. However, you set your goals using practicality-- not too "out of reach". You have enough self-confidence to leave a bad situation, yet, you not take great risks, as they relate to your goals. A good esteem is one key to a happy life. Although there is room for improvement in the confidence category, your self-perception is better than average.

.. uh no.. ok so yeah.. I take a great deal of joy in planning things.. and I do plan a lot of things.. but I have a very very very low self esteem.. I mean I really do and I know and admit that.. And really I dont have good enough self confidence to leave a bad situation.. I usually hang on to bad situations and base the blame of the bad on myself, Id rather have a bad situation than no situation... so basically.. yeah.ENGLISH : Class 2 : Handwriting Analysis 410894


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You are sarcastic. This is a defense mechanism designed to protect your ego when you feel hurt. You poke people harder than you get poked. These sarcastic remarks can be very funny. They can also be harsh, bitter, and caustic at the same time.

... Ok so maybe its true. ENGLISH : Class 2 : Handwriting Analysis 436937 But only for some things.. theres people I do this too and then theres people that I let walk all over me ie. Emma and I always display sarcastic remarks to each other, probably more than anyone else; but Racey... if he says something sarcastic or anything criticle I draw into myself.. and dont sarcasticlly bite him. So its .. I dont know.


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You have a healthy imagination and displays a fair amount of trust. You let new people into your circle of friends. You use your imagination to understand new ideas, things, and people.

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You exaggerates about everything that has a physical nature. Although you may not intend to deceive or mislead, you blow things way out of proportion because that is the way you view them. You be a good story teller. This exaggeration relates to all areas of your material world. You allows many people into your life because you are accepting and trusting. You are sometimes called gullible by your friends. That only really means that you trust too many people. You have a vivid imagination.

Ok so it happens to be true... I get called gullible and told that I trust to easily a lot. And I have a tendancy to make a bigger deal about something not that big every once in a while or so Im told.


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For a graphologist, the spacing on the page reflects the writer's attitude toward their own world and relationship to things in his or her own space. If the inputted data was correct you have left lots of white space on the all four borders of the paper. You fills up just the center area of the page. If this is true, then you have a particular shyness toward people and a fear of moving too fast in any direction. In some cultures, respecting people, rules, and adhering to protocol are ways of life. The right side of the page represents the future and the left side represents the past. You seems a bit stuck in the middle, afraid to take action. You seems to have a fear of looking bad or of crossing boundaries. It will be easy to work with you on a team, because you will usually follow the rules. However, this desire to respect the boundaries can often be construed as a lack of confidence and people will walk over you if you are not careful.

.....*looks up at the ceiling fan* so... maybe its true.... (wow its getting dusty up there.. hehe)
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I have (pretty xD) vertical writing

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You use judgment to make decisions. You are ruled by your head, not your heart. You are a cool, collected person who is usually inexpressive emotionally. Some may see you as unemotional. You do have emotions but has no need to express them. You are withdrawn into yourself and enjoys being alone. The circumstances when you do express emotions include: extreme anger, extreme passion, and tremendous stress. If someone gets you mad enough to tell them off, you're not sorry about it later. You put a mark in your mind when someone angers you. You keep track of these marks and when you hit that last mark you let them know they have gone too far. You are ruled somewhat by self-interest. All of your conclusions are made without outside emotional influence. You are very level-headed and will remain calm in an emergency situation. In a situation where other people might get hysterical, you have poise. You will work more efficiently if given space and time to be alone. You would rather not be surrounded by people constantly. In a relationship, you show your love by the things you do rather than by the things you say. Saying "I love you" is not a needed routine because you feel your mate should already know. The only exception to this is if you have logically concluded that it is best for your mate to hear you express your love verbally. You are not subject to emotional appeals. If someone is selling a product to you, they will need to present only the facts. They should present them from a standpoint of your sound judgment. You not be taken in by an emotional story about someone else. You meet emergencies without getting hysterical and you always ask "Is this best for me?"

Hm, hm... this is only partly true. I wouldn't say I'm "cool and emotionless", really... sad And about not getting angry at people too often - it really differs on the person. Because that's really how I am with people I don't know too well, I try to avoid conflicts and I don't fight back but - and this is one thing that wonders me so much about me - if I do know people well, I get irascible pretty soon... for example in my family. But when it does happen, I tend to feel bad about it later.
Another point this test has gotten about right - I do like my privacy at times and I don't get hysterical too often.
But.. the love part and when people are selling something to me.... I don't think I'm that rational...

I write my letters average height.
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People that write their letters in an average height and average size are moderate in their ability to interact socially. According to the data input, you don't write too large or too small, indicating a balanced ability to be social and interact with others.

Yeah lol. I'm not the ultra-super-duper outgoing person but hey, I'll be ok if you leave me around people because I know... they won't bite! XD

(a lot of) my d's and t's have loops.
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You are sensitive to criticism about your ideas and philosophies. You sometimes worry what people will think if you tell them what you believe in. This doesn't mean you won't talk, or that you feel ashamed. It merely means you are sensitive to what others think, regarding your beliefs.

True... though sometimes (at school lol) I go as far as not raising my hand because I think my answer's pretty stupid or just too straightforward and then somebody else says the same thing I had in mind and then I go, "Dammit!" xD

My o's have loops on the right side.
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You are secretive. You have secrets which you do not wish to share with others. You intentionally conceal things about yourself. You have a private side that you intend to keep that way, especially concerning certain events in your past.

Well... not really. ^^" I actually tend to rant a lot about things that concern me (yeah, you might have noticed by now xD). Ok, that's a lot of senseless rant but still. And I can't really think about big "things in my past" that I need to conceal.

My m's and n's are rounded
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You are a cumulative and procedural thinker. You like to have all the facts before making a decision. You think or create much like a brick mason, stacking fact upon fact. Your thought pattern or the conclusion will not be complete until the last fact is in place. Like that brick wall, you learn faster through visual demonstration than through quick verbal instructions. Once you have learned new material, and understand it, you don't forget. You are a methodical thinker, therefore you are able to build things and come up with new ideas. In an argument, you often lose to rapid thinking people because you are thinking thirty minutes later about what you should have said. Often you will be very book smart, but can be out-gunned in a rapid fire verbal debate. You might learn new ideas at a slower pace than other "less detailed" people, but once you get it, you can handle repetition. Some people hate jobs with too much repetition, you can handle it better than most.

Haha, that happens so often that I remember stuff I could have said after .. well, even more than 30 minutes! XD Hm, maybe that's exactly why I'm better in written examinations than in oral participation in class. Though I can't really speak of myself as a methodical thinker, I more like.. whatever comes first, throw it into the soup! Very confusuing, but that's me. And I can't stand repetition...

The lines at my t's are more or less balanced on both sides.
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You are a practical person whose goals are planned, practical, and down to earth. This is typical of people with normal healthy self-esteem. You need to visualize the end of a project before you start. You find joy in anticipation and planning. Notice that I said you plan everything you are going to do, that doesn't necessarily mean things go as planned. You basically feels good about yourself. You have a positive self-esteem which contributes to your success. You feel you have the ability to achieve anything you set your mind to. However, you set your goals using practicality-- not too "out of reach". You have enough self-confidence to leave a bad situation, yet, you not take great risks, as they relate to your goals. A good esteem is one key to a happy life. Although there is room for improvement in the confidence category, your self-perception is better than average.

Well, the self-esteem point is more or less right. But I don't know about down-to-earth, I'm a big dreamer... though when it comes to putting things into practice, I do tend to take the more accomplishable plan. Speaking of plans, I don't really like planning in advance... xD

Some of my y's don't have a loop, but are kinda pointy ...
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You are having some confusion in your physical life. You are examining the past to give you answers about some of your physical desires. You might be trying to find a balance between your philosophical beliefs and your natural physical desires.

Uhm. xD I don't know what to say about this....

but then again, some of my y's have loops - medium-sized ones, to be exact.
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You have a healthy imagination and displays a fair amount of trust. You let new people into your circle of friends. You use your imagination to understand new ideas, things, and people.

Imagination rules my world! Mwahahaha! ENGLISH : Class 2 : Handwriting Analysis 13 ... and welcome into my circle! xD


annd here's a sample of my writing - from an English homework XD

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This is pretty accurate. I've always been the 'emotional one'. Sometimes, the smallest thing can set me off, because I'll imagine what it'd be like for that to happen to me... which is probably why my keyboard probably has salt on it, from me crying while reading fanfiction ENGLISH : Class 2 : Handwriting Analysis 410894. I don't like taking one person's side, unless the right answer is really obvious, for example: Is the Eart the 3rd planet in the solar system? .. Yes. But if it's a difference of opinion between friends, the test is right, I'll most likely sit on the fence. And yes, I am often moody ENGLISH : Class 2 : Handwriting Analysis 436937. When I'm happy and hyper, I feel as if nothing can get me down, but when I feel gloomy, I'm not very easily brought back up. And Yes, I'm not bi-polar XD. And yes, I'm also a right-in-the-middle person politically. I don't care if a person's a Democrat or Republican; only their views matter to me.

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Part 1. I'm not terribly outgoing, but I'm not anti-social either. So once again, I'd say this part of the analysis is right on ENGLISH : Class 2 : Handwriting Analysis 436937. lol It's nice to know that I'm balanced...

Part 2. This analysis is... iffy... Yes, I have a pride, but I don't feel that I demand respect from people. Sometimes, I get irritated if people talk over me so I suppose that could kind of fit under the category of 'demanding respect'. I truly believe in my ideas, ideals, beliefs, etc. I'll defend them 'to the death' unless someone has another arguement that can sway me. But... I don't feel that everyone should feel the way I do.

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Part 1. This thing is right... again! XD Yes, I do have secrets that I have kept hidden from people for various reasons of my own. I wouldn't say I have a whole different 'side' to me, but yes, there are some things that I just don't feel comfortable letting people know until I've known them for.. like... ever... XD

Part 2. Doesn't everyone want attention? :D I don't consider myself any different from other people who want attention XD.

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Part 1. This part is semi-right. I like to think of myself as a diplomat, and sometimes, I do find myself in the position of a mediator. However, sometimes I'll be a little bit outspoken, offend someone, and then quickly backtrack, trying to lessen the effect of whatever occurred.

Part 2. Yes, this is right. I agree that sometimes I'll be really enthusiastic about projects and then they'l just.. die.. XD Just look at my fanfiction and the end of the Fashion Show event, for example! But yes, I do believe that I have lots of creativity ENGLISH : Class 2 : Handwriting Analysis 436937.

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Part 1. It's true, I don't have much self-confidence, but it's not because one day someone just came up to tell me that I was a horrible person etc. I think it's because I don't ever feel as if I'm good enough and also because.. well... Asian parents love to compare... And yes it's stereotypical to look at some Chinese high-schooler and immediately think 'Smart', but it's also true. Many Chinese/Korean/Japanese kids that I know are incredibly smart and sometimes, I get compared to them. I'm not pushed as hard by my parents to study, so whether it's because of that or because some friends of mine have much higher IQ's than me, I feel discourage whenever for example, I get a lower test grade than them. Nowadays, I've come to terms with the fact that I'm very good at some things... but my self-confidence is still extremely low in other areas.

Part 2. To put it bluntly, I think this part of my analysis is just... completely wrong. Whenever I strive for success, I'm not consistently hit by failure. Yes, I've often failed at things I've tried, but that doesn't happen over and over. So... to put it plainly, I think this part is wrong. What if I like writing my Y's with loops? XD

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Part 1. Imagination makes the world go round!!! XD And yes, I am a very trusting person, though sometimes, that's not always a good thing *shrugs*

Part 2. I rarely exaggerate.. much XD. I don't believe that I blow things out of proportion and mislead people, but that may just be my point of view. I think that I'm accepting and trusting, but I've never been called gullible by my friends unless it's under circumstances where my point was appear gullible. Yes, that's somewhat manipulative... but... XD I don't want to appear like a know-it-all, and manipulating people can be fun... and often fruitful XD. Yes.. yes... Slytherin-me... *pokes*


PIC!!!! XD In case you're wondering, this is me trying out a plot bunny of mine ENGLISH : Class 2 : Handwriting Analysis 436937 Involving a possible L/J romance ENGLISH : Class 2 : Handwriting Analysis 549390 Sorry that the page got a bit cut off at the right.

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