Court Room 2 : Trial of Hickory verses the Mouse

Court Room 2 : Trial of Hickory verses the Mouse

Jury Members:
Shausto-la
Dragonweaver
amberg93
EmmalynnMalfoy
drkangelcat

Quote :

Hickory dickory dock
The mouse ran up theclock
The clock struck one
The mouse ran down
Hickory dickory dock

And the question presented to you as the jury is this; The
mouse claims it was Hickory
the clocks fault. Hickory
claims that the mouse fell on his own accord. Who is at fault, Hickory or the mouse?


Sides : Hickory the clock , The mouse (lets call him Bob)

Now this case is a no brainer, it is obviously Hickory's fault. Poor Bob was just running up the clock minding his own business when all of a sudden the evil Hickory decided that it was just going to strike one! Bob had no idea that it was going to happen because mice can't tell time and then fell.

Also the mice isn't the only one claiming to have some problems with Hickory the clock. If you'll continue to read you'll see other animals have claims against him as well.

Quote :

Hickory Dickory Dock,
The bird looked at the clock,
The clock struck two 2,
Away she flew,
Hickory Dickory Dock

Another time when Hickory scared away a poor defenseless animal!

Quote :

Hickory Dickory Dock,
The bear slept by the clock,
The clock struck four 4,
He ran out the door,
Hickory Dickory Dock!

Bears are animals that aren't exactly small like Bob, but yet that Hickory still managed to scare it away as well. Did the bear just run away of it's own accord too?

Quote :

Hickory Dickory Dock,
The bee buzzed round the clock,
The clock struck five 5,
She went to her hive,
Hickory Dickory Dock!

As you can see Hickory keeps up the mocking of the poor animals even further along the day! And she even moves unto insects!

Hickory is obviously at fault here and it is a shame that Bob is the only one that is being looked at. However, if we do this correctly we can put that Hickory right where he belongs and allow Bob to get back to his life peacefully.

"I definately agree with Amber. The mouse is a small creature, maybe he just wanted a good veiw of the area for once. That darned Hickory was just too mean to let Bob stay," Emmalynn said, horrified that this grandfather clock was such a grouch.

I think Bob is at fault. He was the one who ran up Hickory in the first place, without permission none the less. Also it’s the clock’s job to go off every hour. It is not his fault that the mouse happened to be climbing up him at the time. Nor is it his fault that he scared the other animals.

Further more, what was the mouse doing climbing on Hickory? Shouldn’t he have asked? Maybe the clock felt threatened by Bob. Wouldn’t you if something that could chew on your wood just began running up you, scratching its way up?

But Cat dear, you forget that he also scared away other things that weren't even on him! He's just a mean old clock that needs to be stopped. Sure it's his job to go off every hour, but he could have decided to chime quieter don't you think?

And perhaps maybe Bob was climbing up Hickory to get something off the top of him? Maybe someone put his dinner on top of Hickory, after all if food was at stake wouldn't you go up a clock as well?

But Amber, Hickory was built that way. Maybe he has no control on how loud he is. Also maybe his hearing is going and doesn't realize how loud he is, which wouldn't be his fault either. And I doubt he meant to scare the other animals. Maybe he didn't even notice them.

And still Bob could have asked to climb on him. I am sure Hickory would have let him if he had asked. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if he scared Ol' Hickory when trying to run up him.

But Cat, Bob is just an animal who is used to being able to go up and over anything in his house. Hickory isn't an exception to that rule, he isn't used to having to ask about anything. After all, mice are creatures that try and keep out of the way, people don't like mice! Cats don't like mice either *looks pointedly at Cat*.

They have to keep their place whereabouts hidden from people and mice. Let us not forget the story of the three blind mice.

Quote :

Three blind mice,
three blind mice,
See how they run, see how they run,
They all ran after the farmer's wife,
Who cut off their tails with a carving knife,
Did you ever see sucha thing in your life,
As three blind mice?

People react badly to mice, like that farmers wife there. She cut off their tails!! What if Bob was in that kind of danger once he scampered up Hickory, trying to save his life! The strike of that clock could have exposed his whereabouts to a person, or a cat and that could have been the end of poor Bob!

Amber, i feel you must be overestimating Bob's good intentions. As of thus, we have no clues as to why Bob would really want to run up Hickory in the first place. If it were a matter of life or death, as you said, I agree--it would be morally right for Hickory to remain quiet and let Bob stay until the danger was past. However, such an event is rather unlikely in this occasion, and so we must question Bob's motives. Why would he want to run up Hickory in the first place?

For all we know, these two could be involved in a long on-going family grudge, of which i'm sure you as well as i have heard tales of as a child. And Hickory can't move. All these animals come and surround him, annoying him, and Hickory acts in a perfectly reasonable way. I mean, If you saw a mouse, a bear, a bee, climbing up your leg, would you just let it be and stay until it felt that it wanted to leave? No, most likely you would shake the mouse off, run from the bear, swat the bee. But Hickory can do none of these, no? His only defense:: His Chime.

True as that might be Casey, I also think that maybe Hickory was just discriminating against Bob, taking the animal crawling up his too seriously. After all since the reason that Bob did run up Hickory is still open to debate, we need to look at some other factors that do have plainly stated evidence in them as to what they were doing around Hickory.

Quote :

Hickory Dickory Dock,
The cat ran round the clock,
The clock struck seven 7,
She wanted to get 'em,
Hickory Dickory Dock!

Get 'em, who? Maybe we are talking of the mouse, or maybe we are talking about Hickory, but either way that Cat wasn't forced away from Hickory. But the fact that she was running around Hickory and not attacking him leads me to believe that perhaps that cat might have been after the mouse yes?

And if Hickory was really so against things being on him, don't you think maybe a cow would have bothered him a bit more than Bob? After all cows are huge, but look.

Quote :

Hickory Dickory Dock,
The cow danced on the clock,
The clock struck nine 9,
She felt so fine,
Hickory Dickory Dock!

True if her chimes were his defense then he'd been trying his darnedest to get that cow off, but how come Hickory didn't mention this earlier for us? If you remember it was Bob's lawyer who brought up this point, so there might be more to it than we are looking at.

Finally, with the chimes as the defense what would a barking dog do to earn the defense?

Quote :

Hickory Dickory Dock,
The dog barked at the clock,
The clock struck three 3,
Fiddle-de-dee,
Hickory Dickory Dock

After all it was just a barking dog, I suggest that maybe Hickory was joining in with the dog to make music as the fiddle-de-dee suggests.

We should look at Hickoy for what he is here: a clock. All he's ever known was to chime at the hour, regardless of what animals where nearby. Maybe he didn't even realize there was a mouse climbing up him, after all Hickory wasnt the one pressing charges, though if the mouse was trespassing or harassing him he certainly could have. Which means either Hickory is a very kind being who just wants a quiet life, or the mouse was not actually bothering Hickory and Hickory purposely tried to scare Bob.

Quote :

Discrimination: unfair treatment of a person or group on the basis of prejudice

based on this definition, I dont think that Hickory was necessarily discrimiatiing against Bob. If indeed Bob was harassing Hickory, then Hickory was acting completely out of self defense.

To acknowledge some points: In all of these cases, Hickory tried his hardest to let the animals know they were not welcome and should leave. As I stated above, a clock is not able to move and express his feelings as well as other creatures like humans. The most they can do is chime loudly and hope the animal get's the idea. You ask if the cow would have bothered him more than Bob--perhaps the cow did. However, as he is a clock, all he can do is chime. Even if he tries his hardest to let the animals know they should leave, they may not always respect his wishes.

Quote :

Hickory Dickory Dock,
The pig oinked at the clock,
The clock struck ten, she did it again,
Hickory Dickory Dock!

Here, the pig obviously knows that Hickory does not want him around, yet he oinks at him again as if in arrogance! Perhaps Hickory is not very well respected by other animals, the reasons for which he may be trying to hide. If we had these reasons, they would be able to show whether Hickory was acting in self defense or purposely against the animals.

In this case, we must also take into account his name: Hickory Dickory Dock. Hickory is a type of wood. For a clock and as many other things, this makes sense. Dickory is a load of nonsense, no real meaning whatsoever, perhaps he made it up. and Dock: a landing pier for boats. In none of these does it reference that he may be a clock in any way. It was then drawn to my attention that Hickory may have been trying to fake his identity and is not in fact the clock that has been scaring these animals at all. The Dockery part especially as it appears that this name is a ruse and 'Hickory' may be hiding something, as well as his real identity. Has anyone even seen the real Hickory anyway? If his identity turns out to be a fake we can most likely assume that Hickory is at fault for any harmed animals.

In regards to the mentioning of the cat and people, yes Bob may have needed to run away, but it is not Hickory's fault if he was startled by the mouse.

Quote :

Hickory Dickory Dock,
The cow danced on the clock,
The clock struck nine 9,
She felt so fine,
Hickory Dickory Dock!

Maybe the cow got permission? After all I am sure as long as Hickory is strong enough he wouldn't mind the cow dancing on him or even the mouse on him. But not knowing Bob was going to run up him, he was most likely startled and had no intention to cause Bob harm.

Quote :

Hickory Dickory Dock,
The bird looked at the clock,
The clock struck two 2,
Away she flew,
Hickory Dickory Dock

For this I believe she was not scared away, but flew away once she knew it was two. After all she was looking at the clock, which most likely because she wanted to know the time.

Quote :

Hickory Dickory Dock,
The bear slept by the clock,
The clock struck four 4,
He ran out the door,
Hickory Dickory Dock!

Hickory was probably just trying to be helpful and wake up the bear. For all we know the bear could have had something important to do and had slept a bit too long.

Quote :

Hickory Dickory Dock,
The bee buzzed round the clock,
The clock struck five 5,
She went to her hive,
Hickory Dickory Dock!

Again maybe the bee had something to do. The clock may have been trying to inform her that she had to be back at the hive. After all clocks are supposed to help by giving the knowledge of the time.

Please choose a spokesperson and visit following thread as soon as you can.

Round 1 : Spokesperson Thread

Alright we need a spokesperson. Anyone want to be it?

As for the submission of who was present for at least one post or absent and our decisions:

Court Room 2 : Trial of Hickory verses the Mouse
Shausto-la : Present : Bob Guilty
Dragonweaver : Absent
amberg93 : Present : Hickory Guilty
EmmalynnMalfoy : Present :Hickory Guilty
drkangelcat : Present :Bob Guilty

Is this correct?

That sounds about right *nods* and I vote that you're spokesperson Cat XD

lol if you want...I dont really care XD