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Elfie Dumbledore Retired Headmistress : Mick, Snape, The Doctor and Edward Cullen - the men in my life!!
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| Subject: The Virginia Tragedy Tue Apr 17 2007, 13:01 | |
| Please spare a moment for all those affected in this tragedy and others which have occured in the past. I know that many of you have been thinking about this and have been hit hard by this most recent tragedy, so therefore I feel that it is your right to use this thread as a place to converse together and share your thoughts. | |
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Amy Retired Deputy Head : 5th year
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| Subject: Re: The Virginia Tragedy Tue Apr 17 2007, 13:07 | |
| Things like this make me so sad, and I've been watching the news today and just listening to some of the accounts of survivors makes me shudder. It's incredible that there are people who can just walk into a school and start shooting people.
I can't get my head around it, and I'll be keeping all those affected in my thoughts. | |
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Elfie Dumbledore Retired Headmistress : Mick, Snape, The Doctor and Edward Cullen - the men in my life!!
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| Subject: Re: The Virginia Tragedy Tue Apr 17 2007, 13:12 | |
| What is more upsetting (if anything can be more upsetting for the people directly involved) is the fact that the killer killed himself and no one will ever really know why he did what he did. It is like there will never be any kind of closure which is needed, not that this would make it easier on those affected. | |
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SilverLady 1st Year
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| Subject: Re: The Virginia Tragedy Tue Apr 17 2007, 13:17 | |
| It's hard to believe it that somebody with enough hate or madness to do something like that exists.. ..clear sign that human race is going dooown. Bush's official speech was on about 15 minutes ago. Expressing his condoleance (or however you write it), giving a message of support for all the ones in need of help, who were left behind... I found the message appropriate, and then there were also speeches of religious representatives, which was a nice gesture. Too sad only that none of that can bring the students and teachers back.. It's a big, violent and sad world. And the scary thing (if what already happened is not enough) is that it could happen anywhere. | |
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Caroru HE Owl
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| Subject: Re: The Virginia Tragedy Tue Apr 17 2007, 13:18 | |
| If he's mentally ill, then he doesn't really need a reason. In his mind, it made perfectly sense!
Like that one serial killer in Florida (don't remember the year) but he killed a certain number of people and then said that it would come some sort os Tzunami or earthquake if he didn't do it. It made sense to him... *shrugs*
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That didn't have anything to do with the Virginia Tragedy. I'm so off topic... :/
I need to stop... i don't know what to say... i think it's horrible. What a lame statement, but... it's true! | |
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amberg93 Deputy Head : Gryffindor HoH : Arithmancy & Arts & Muggle Studies Professor : 5th Year
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| Subject: Re: The Virginia Tragedy Tue Apr 17 2007, 13:21 | |
| We talked about it today in World Studies and apparently the killer killed two people two hours before her killed the other 19, and what no one, in my class, seemed to be able to figure out is why wouldn't they just send someone after the guy then and there? How could they just let him get away? I feel so horrible as I watch the news and hear about people who had to watch their friends be killed and play dead themselves to survive. No one ever should have to go through that | |
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SilverLady 1st Year
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| Subject: Re: The Virginia Tragedy Tue Apr 17 2007, 13:24 | |
| Amby, as far as I know (well, dad told me) the killer sent the police into a wrong direction just after killing those 2 people in their dorm and then went to kill those in the classroom. Which doesn't explain the police's stupidity. :| | |
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Caroru HE Owl
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| Subject: Re: The Virginia Tragedy Tue Apr 17 2007, 13:29 | |
| (I have no idea why i'm pulling in the serial killers here... or why i know so much about them...)
A serial killer's (a cannibal and homosexual, btw) victim, a 14 year old boy, managed escape him, and was all bleeding and... stuff, and when the cops searched the serial killer's house, they found nothing, even if he had like bodies laying all around in his living room (under the sofa, in the closets etc..) and the killer just said that the young boy was his 'partner' and things had gotten 'a bit rough'. And what's even worse (if possible), the cops left the 14 year old boy with the man!!! Sorry, but what kind of cops leaves a 14 year old boy with an adult man!? That's illegal, because he was a minor!!!
Sorry, if i'm upsetting anyone with that, but i was pretty shocked when i heard it myself. And it just kinda popped into my mind when Amby wondered why no one sent anyone after the guy.
I will say no more about the cops... :/ | |
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Amy Retired Deputy Head : 5th year
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| Subject: Re: The Virginia Tragedy Tue Apr 17 2007, 13:31 | |
| I don't think we can go around blaming anyone but the killer himself. For all we know, the police did all they could.
I've been reading people's posts on this topic on another forum, and from what I've heard, the Virginia Tech campus is like a small town, with entrances and roads and everything leading in and out.
But as I said, the only person to blame here is the killer. He went into the uni with the intention of killing, and that is what he did.
On the other hand, I can understand the need of some people to apportion blame onto the uni authorities and the emergency services, because the gunman killed himself and is no longer around to take the full brunt. | |
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Elfie Dumbledore Retired Headmistress : Mick, Snape, The Doctor and Edward Cullen - the men in my life!!
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| Subject: Re: The Virginia Tragedy Tue Apr 17 2007, 13:33 | |
| Yeh, there is a lots about how slow the police reacted, and why the school didnt close after hearing of the first two murders. After every sad event like this, there are always excuses and blame in all directions, yet none are to blame except the killer. Yes, the police were useless and that is something that a lot of anger is going to be aimed at, yet would it still have stopped the inevitable?
Its also true if the man was mentally ill, that he would have possibly thought what he was doing was right, though he was a student in this school and there have been no accounts as far as I know about anyone thinking there was anything wrong with him in this capacity. | |
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SilverLady 1st Year
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| Subject: Re: The Virginia Tragedy Tue Apr 17 2007, 13:34 | |
| well... it's not exaclty blaming them it's just... knowing that he could have been stopped .. makes you wonder why he wasn't stopped. oh did they find out his identity? | |
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Elfie Dumbledore Retired Headmistress : Mick, Snape, The Doctor and Edward Cullen - the men in my life!!
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| Subject: Re: The Virginia Tragedy Tue Apr 17 2007, 13:40 | |
| The killer? yes, I believe so. There is something on it here: CLICK HERE | |
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jennifer williams 5th Year
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| Subject: Re: The Virginia Tragedy Tue Apr 17 2007, 13:46 | |
| Well, I dont know if it makes a difference but he's described as very mentally unstable. And apparently he wrote such graphic and disturbing essays in his creative writing class that he was reccomended to counseling. So the signs are all there, so I don't really know what people could have done to prevent it. After all they couldn't force him to go.
Yet the thing that most people don't understand is why the school didn't do something more to prevent students from coming to school that day. Apparently a mass email was sent out but if you ask me, since it was 7:20 in the morning I wouldn't be checking my email before my 8' o clock class... | |
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SilverLady 1st Year
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| Subject: Re: The Virginia Tragedy Tue Apr 17 2007, 13:48 | |
| ah ok, thanks
hm, they say it's not yet 100% clear whether he was the gunman in both locations... :/
ARGH, so sick! How can you be a student and go killing people you had everyday contact with? Somekind of hate? Not normal!!!
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any proposals for solutions to avoid something like that in the future? ... my granda proposed x-ray filters .. but that's not very practical at a university with 30000 students... ...psychological check-ups? Yessir! | |
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jennifer williams 5th Year
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| Subject: Re: The Virginia Tragedy Tue Apr 17 2007, 13:49 | |
| I just heard on the news that they're not positive but they checked the bullets at each shooting location and it came from the same gun. So most likely it was him... | |
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Caroru HE Owl
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| Subject: Re: The Virginia Tragedy Tue Apr 17 2007, 13:51 | |
| *is freaked out*
Geez, my teachers suggested counseling to me because of my essays and presentations and other school projects o__O This is slightly disturbing.
I wouldn't check my emails that early either.. :/ | |
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Elfie Dumbledore Retired Headmistress : Mick, Snape, The Doctor and Edward Cullen - the men in my life!!
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| Subject: Re: The Virginia Tragedy Tue Apr 17 2007, 14:19 | |
| I think that something more needed to be done rather than just send mass emails, because as you have all said, who really checks their emails at that time in the morning? | |
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Caroru HE Owl
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| Subject: Re: The Virginia Tragedy Tue Apr 17 2007, 14:26 | |
| Maybe everyone thought "Hey, it can't happen to me, right?" Because... how many of us really imagines that something like that will happen to you? No one, I say. | |
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Agatha Black 1st Year
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| Subject: Re: The Virginia Tragedy Tue Apr 17 2007, 14:51 | |
| True..none of us wants to believe we could be the victim of such a horrible attack. But if I had heard that 2 people had been gunned down in a dorm on campus...I would probably leave as fast as I could drive. Thats is another thing that has me pondering this whole situation. I know it's the shooter's fault that this attack even took place...but the police officers are trained and paid and trusted by us the citizens to handle situations such as this. They had 2 vicitms dead in a dorm...in which many other students lived in and around...and they had a killer on the loose. I understand that some universities hire their own "security" so they don't have to pay the city to use "real cops"...and if this was the case at VT..then maybe that needs to change. The campus should have been swarming with police and classes should have been canceled immediately. The shooter should have never been able to get into that building. I live in a college town myself...not too far from campus and I can't imagine how horrible something like that would be. About a year and 1/2 ago we had a student put a bomb in his backpack and go to the football game and blew himslef up outside the staduim...luckily he was sitting on a bench and no one was too close...but if the security had let him in...he would have been in close range of a lot of people. I myself was a mere 50-100 feet away when the bomb exploded. This is all just my rantings...so take it for what it is..oh and I love cops...my big bro is one...so it's not like I'm hating on them...just think they should have done their job better. | |
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Elfie Dumbledore Retired Headmistress : Mick, Snape, The Doctor and Edward Cullen - the men in my life!!
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| Subject: Re: The Virginia Tragedy Thu Apr 19 2007, 14:59 | |
| They have been showing the killers video footage on the news which he sent out during the attacks I believe which makes it all worse (if possible) and the video footage just makes chills run through me. Many places are pulling the footage off of the tv which I think maybe a good idea | |
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Agatha Black 1st Year
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| Subject: Re: The Virginia Tragedy Thu Apr 19 2007, 15:07 | |
| I refuse to watch it...everynight during all the 5 different news show...it's all they've been talking about. The other day OU was shut down because someone saw a guy with an umbrella and thought it was a weapon. It's kinda the same as it was after 9/11...I just can't watch it over and over...I don't want to be desensitized to the whole situation. | |
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OUTxxWITHxxAxxBANG 5th Year
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| Subject: Re: The Virginia Tragedy Sun Apr 22 2007, 08:19 | |
| On Friday, (I don't if it was national or not) my school had "VT day" or as we called it "Hoakie day" and we all wore maroon and orange and they gave out little ribbons with those colors to honor the VT Tragedy. It hit a lot of people I know real badly, I only live a short couple hours away from there. And one of my friends entire family are VT crazy. They even named their dog Hoakie. | |
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Vicky_Weasley 1st Year
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| Subject: Re: The Virginia Tragedy Sat May 19 2007, 11:39 | |
| That was soo sad. Omg that man was wacky. Someone from my town was actually killed in that. This was terrible and the family of this man should be in biggggg trouble! | |
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| Subject: Re: The Virginia Tragedy Mon Jun 11 2007, 07:06 | |
| Oh my, this was a tragic event. No words can really sum up how the victim's families must be feeling, even though this happened a little while ago and it had faded from the news stories. I hope they can find the strength within themselves to heal and to forgive the killer. Afterall, he was sick in the mind, and if he had been better he surely would not have done something like this.
It kind of hit me hard, because a lot of people in my town and school have a sibling or child that is going to Virginia Tech. My sister's chemistry teacher's son goes there; in fact, he was in the building where the 19 people were killed when the gunman opened fire. He jumped out the window to escape.
Also, one of the teachers killed was a Holocaust survivor. To go through THAT and to have to killed like this.... that's terrible. | |
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| Subject: Re: The Virginia Tragedy Sun Apr 20 2008, 13:08 | |
| My older brother goes to VA. He happens to be a football player for the team. I think he plays linebacker, I'm not sure. I do know that he was really good friends with one two of the students who died during the shooting.
He was so sad. He called us to let us know he was okay. I was so relieved. It's the most heartbreaking feeling to think one of your loved ones could be in serious danger or even worse.. | |
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dynaska 1st Year
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| Subject: Re: The Virginia Tragedy Sun Apr 20 2008, 13:10 | |
| yeah, my sister goes there, so I know the feeling, it was very scary | |
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