Snape

Well. He's good.

I can't say it surprised me, I kind of knew it was coming. Although...although he had me going for most of the book. I really thought that he was on Voldemort's side, right up until that moment in the shrieking shack.

I wasn't keen on the Lily and Snape friendship, Lily even went so far as to call him her best friend. I didn't really like that...but on the whole Snape was OK in this book. Not a favourite character of mine, even now, not by far but well. He was good. Sharon is going to rejoice!

O snape was wonderful in this book he has been all the books. At one point I though o no I got it all wrong hes bad but he turned out good which was great. Personally I loved the whole snape/lily thing it was amazing.

I loved loved LOVED snape in this book. i was just totally in love with the whole lily calling him her best friend and such. It made SO much sense in my mind....

he was a really interesting character 'till the end as well. ....and he turned out even braver than even what i already thought him to be. *sigh*

Wow. Elfie is going to have a field day with Snapey in this book

Ah, he's good. Y'all pretty much said what I was going to say. I didn't looove the BFF thing going on with Lily, but I KNEW something was going on with them. I thought they went out, that was my theory. HA. I was almost right

I liked his string of memories that he had Harry see.

i loved the memories soo much..esp. how he really wanted to apologize to lily..sad

& i loved the part where harry finds about about the doe :]

hahahahahahaha! *cough* Sorry

Anyways, I'm glad he turned out to be good, he just had to be! I knew Dumbledore had asked him to kill him, he wouldn't have otherwise! The whole memories part was so sweet, it showed a side of Snape which was probably very unexpected to some people, but I knew he loved Lily. I loved how his Patronus was a doe, just like hers, that was nice.

The friendship was a bit random, but I still think it was nice. Overall, yay Snape ^^ lol and I love how JKR made it seem as though he was bad until the very end of his life, but then Harry saw the memories, that was great, and I was like (just before he died) 'He can't be bad, he just can't, and he can,t die like this without explanations, something is gonna happen it has to' XD

Wow, Snape rocked! I was convinced that he was bound to be evil from the very beginning of the book, but then the memories set it right... so Dumbledore wasn't wrong after all... I was kinda hoping for that :D
Oh and the Snape/Lily memories were so cute! I'm so happy it was that way, because I think he wouldn't have joined Dumbledore, if hadn't been for his love to Lily :D
hehe, and the hint from Dumbledore might have fitted in to Gryffindor after all... made me smile

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Racey.. is going to be so put off.. lollll

i was convinced sanpe was evil. But hey ho.....loads of us were wrong. I ended up feeling really sorry for Snape. Cos we were told a little more about his family (not much, but he had a rough childhood).

I actualyy liked the whole lily/snape friendship. It showed Snape can have a loving side,a nd shows lily's good nature.

And snape admitted to caring for harry! That made me sad. Especially cos he'd just been brutally killed.

But in the end i really liked Snape. He's always been a fave character, but as a baddie.

I was fustrated evertime Snape seemed evil...I probably yelled at it a couple times saying "You are supposed to be good!"

lol i knew he was going to be good...was afraid he might not though...stupid good acting lol

An interview was released yesterday and JKR said some interesting things about Snape.

A kid said something about Snape being a hero, and she replied with something like, "really, you think he's a hero?"

And then later on someone else asked if Snape would have done what he did for Harry if he hadn't been in love with Lily, and JKR said that no, he wouldn't.

I think that Snape's obsession - and I think it was obsession, not love - was very unhealthy and kind of stalkerish.

I'm glad JKR has confirmed that he isn't a hero and was only helping out of some form of attachment disorder for a woman who has been dead for over a decade.

See? Snape isn't GOOD any more than he is BAD. He was in it for himself, to make himself feel better...he probably never forgave himself for being the one who enabled Voldemort to kill Lily. I can't say I hate him, I do feel very sorry for him.

I still think he made more BAD choices than GOOD ones. A truly selfless, good person would not have hated Harry simply because he was James' son. GOOD people do not rely on past grudges to make new judgments on people, as is evidenced when Harry forgives Kreacher.

I love Snape as a character, because he is so complicated and in utter need of help, but I still don't think he's more GOOD than BAD.

Snape is an anti-hero, someone you root for even though he is flawed... he loved Lily, Harry was a painful reminder that Lily loved someone else, someone Snape deemed a tormenter and bully. So although Snape is not your classic good guy, he wasn't in it for purely selfish motives, otherwise he would have just killed Harry and taken out Voldemort himself.

But can that be true if the person who created him said he isn't a hero? I know there are hundreds of ways to interpret literature, but JKR herself has said that he isn't, so...

Did she state that he wasn't a hero, or did she just ask the kid if that's how he really saw Snape? Besides, even if she doesn't consider him a hero, it doesn't mean she doesn't view him as an anti-hero... so I would think that until she states implicitly that he is or isn't that it would be open to interpretation..

Besides all that, I seriously think Snape had mental problems. In the Muggle world he would have been on medication and seeing a therapist...lol. He is beyond flawed, but it is not all necessarily his fault because he had an awful childhood/teenage/adulthood. They guy didn't catch a break once in his life. It would be difficult to measure how much of that was his fault/choice.

Well, I am of course completely biased when it comes to Snape, because I like him so much...and yet other characters I am less forgiving towars, Percy and Mundungus fo instance...I do wonder what would have happened to Snape if Lily had returned his love, or if any witch had just reached out, dragged him to a salon and then maybe to a nice quiet bed and breakfast...but I guess that's just the stuff of fanfic *g*

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I do wonder what would have happened to Snape if Lily had returned his love, or if any witch had just reached out, dragged him to a salon and then maybe to a nice quiet bed and breakfast...but I guess that's just the stuff of fanfic *g*

Lily did love him for a long time, even if the love was platonic, but Snape still dabbled in the Dark Arts. He was raised in a Dark and abusive way, calling Lily 'mudblood' was second nature to him, a slip of the tongue because he was comfortable with that sort of language. I know women sometimes flatter themselves that they can change a guy, and sometimes a guy will change to be with the one he loves. But this happens rarely.

As for any other woman loving him...Snape lived for a long time without love, and Lily was the first person to care for him. Naturally he became obsessed with her, especially since she was a witch as well. He probably would not have cared for the love of any other witch because he was so entrenched in his love for Lily...though that is debatable. He perhaps could've gotten over her with time, though I do believe it was an unhealthy fixation and so he would never have stopped loving Lily, and would never have been able to love anyone else.

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Besides all that, I seriously think Snape had mental problems. In the Muggle world he would have been on medication and seeing a therapist..

I agree! It was an unhealthy fixation he had with Lily, and then to "punish" Harry because he couldn't help looking like James just showed how messed up he is.

Despite coming through for the good side in the end, I don't think Snape was a good man, nor a good teacher. I can't think that he actually did any teaching in the whole of the book series - yes, he barked instructions and presided over classes, but he never actually taught the students how to do potions or the like.

Plus his treatment of Neville was horrible. And there was no prior grudge or feelings there, he was just a mean old bully.

I know several people who were abused as children. Some of them turn out to be opposites of their parents, and they are wonderful parents and adore their kids. Other ones turn out to be exactly like their parents, repeating the vicious cycle and horribly abusing their kids.

Snape was nasty to everyone when he was an adult...I've just realized now that even if he loved Lily and would never intentionally hurt her, if the two of them would've had kids he might just have abused them as well.

I agree Amy, he wasn't a good man, and yet when I know his background I can't help but feel sorry for him. He deserved love and pity and he desperately needed help...but I wouldn't have wanted him anywhere near my kids, if I had any.

What I think some people have trouble distinguishing is the difference between Snape's actions and Snape the person - who in no way could be called a hero.

Yes he did help in the defeat of Voldemort, yes he was a brave man and yes, perhaps you can call these things heroic but in my mind, to be a hero you have to be a good person and Snape was not.

I can see the argument of him coming from a damaged childhood was what made him the way he was, but I just can't see where the Snape love comes from. I really can't understand why people like him so much...

Okay I must admit I came to like Snape in this book. It was the Prince's Tale chapter that really got me. When he died I was like whatever, who cares. And then I read the next chapter and I was actually crying for him. I mean he loved Lily but all because of one mistake....

I came to understand him a lot more after reading this book and I do actually like his character, and I'm sad he's dead.

I used to hate Snape until I read about the memories, I like him now.

i so did not see him dying coming he was amuch better person in this book though it was so sweet when harry named one of his sons albus severus i loved they harry and ginny got married and had kids!!!

i knew that snape wasnt that bad.... it was all an act.... and i knew that there had to be a better reason for him protecting harry.... it was b/c of lily not james.... so i thinks

I guess I owe Elfie (and the rest of Snape-lovers) an apology.

Here goes...

Hm...

Snape...

Okay, FINE! Snape is good, I'm sorry I said he was evil.

But I still don't like him that much. (sorry xD)

I mean, he wasn't on Dumbledore's side because he knew it was the right thing and blah blah blah.

He was on Dumb's side because Voldy killed Lily. I know, it's cute, his love for her and all, but still... What if Voldy had spared Lily? Would he be on Voldy's side, then?

Would it matter if James and Harry and all those other innocent people got murdered, if only Lily didn't?

Would he become like Bellatrix, if only Lily had survived?

Makes me think he's not really on the good side. He's just... on Lily's side.

Oh well *sigh* I do have to admit I was wrong, he was working for Dumby all this time and the killing-Dumbledore thingy was a plan between them, just like all those SnapeIsGood-theories said.

Do you think that Snape had his soul ripped when he killed Dombledore?

what do you mean he got his soul 'ripped out' ...well I think he really regret it. but since dd told him to

I don't think that his soul was ripped because dumbledore asked him to do it plus dumldore was already dying so it doesn't really matter. But magic can't really know. so maybe it was. but it seems very unlikely.

That is what I was thinking ,but I do remember one thing. Remember in HPOoTP what Belatrix told Harry. She said that you have to mean it when you cast a killing curse. Just a thought. Im not trying to make Snape look bad I just am giving options.

well thats true and maybe he really meant to put dumbledore out of his misery or he really meant to help with voldemorts downfall

okay first of all, i dont know why ive never posted in here!

secondly back to something Streamies said:

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Lily did love him for a long time, even if the love was platonic, but Snape still dabbled in the Dark Arts. He was raised in a Dark and abusive way, calling Lily 'mudblood' was second nature to him, a slip of the tongue because he was comfortable with that sort of language.

i persaonly believe when Snape called her "mudblood" it was out of pure anger, not at her, but at james, think about Snape was being humilated by this group of bullies who everyone loved, and thought were hsrmless, but ni reality thats what they were, and im not saying Snape wasn't but in his memories, Lily was the only one of her kind who he didn't call mudblood. And thats because he did care for her and deeply regretted it afterwards.

As for his soul being ripped when he killed Dumbly, i thnk the fact Snape was remorseful about it that his soul was hurt in the same way as Mouldie's or anyone else who had killed and didnt feel remorse.

And as for Snape being a Hero, he wasn't, he isn't. But what he did was incredibly brave and heroic, so like Amy said earlier, its his Actions, not himself that are heroic. I have always believed Snape to be Good, i know he is a bully, i know he acted only because he loved Lily, and had he not he'd be in Azkaban instead of being dead.

And finally..... YAY! Snape is good and we were right!

A man is defined by his actions, and Snape's last actions were heroic. Again, he is not a typical hero. Many people struggle in their day and day lives, but when faced with the oppurtunity to do something heroic even the most screwed up person can step up. That doesn't make them less of a hero. Snape's love for Lily might have been bit selfish, but honestly he could have taken James out himself, or at least tried- he certainly had the abilities. Snape was a brilliant wizard, but it is true that he let his wounded pride and troubled childhood get in the way. But I believe he died loyal to Dumbledore, who was the first person since Lily to see that there was good in him. Snape shared his memories with Harry, even though they did not paint him in the best light, he wanted to give Harry a fighting chance. Was Snape a nice person? Possibly not, but he's a hero in my book (and in JK's too!)

oh that reminds me!

Snape's love for Lily wasn't an obsession imo. I know first hand what its like to lose someone who you loved and you never forget, yes you may move on, but Snape made an agreement with Dumbly to help Harry, for Lily, because Snape was the one who sent Mouldie to her unintentally of course, and he will forever be trying to make it up to her, to apologise in his own snapeypoo wa. Does that make any sense?

I think yall are right in saying it was his actions. I think that he just a confused youth that just had to take some time to think what side he was on.