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Ancient Runes Discussion: The Blank Rune – does it really exist?

Welcome to the first discussion of the new term! This will be the first of many discussions within this class, you know how it works. Discuss various points and opinions of the topic. The more involved you are in the discussion, the more points you’ll rack up within the class. No double posting allowed but you can post more than once within this thread and I expect you all to be involved! While a debate may spark within this discussion, please remember to keep it friendly. A few key points to cover within your posts
    • Make sure to state your opinion – does it exist or not?
    • What is the “Blank Rune?”
    • What is its significance within the runic alphabet?
    • What are different theories?
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PostSubject: Re: Discussion: The Blank Rune – does it really exist?   Discussion: The Blank Rune – does it really exist? EmptyMon Aug 20 2007, 19:08

The Runic Alphabet is an alphabet of letters known as runes. The Runic Alphabet was thought to be created by the Germanic people in the first or second century.
It was used mainly in the British Isles and Scandinavia.
Today, runes are mostly used in divination.

The Blank Rune was supposedly introduced by inaccurate information in the Book of Runes by Ralph Bum.
The Blank Rune, also known as an "Odin Rune" or "Wyrd Rune", does not really have a purpose in the Runic Alphabet.
When you purchase a rune set that has the blank rune, they generally tell you to take it aside and keep it in case you lose another rune piece.
Most people will tell you not to use the blank rune in rune casting.

There is no historical evidence that says anyone hundreds of years ago ever used a blank rune. A rune is a symbol, not what the symbol is on, so how can there be a blank rune?
"Have you ever seen a blank symbol? Of course not, that's an oxymoron."

I, personally, do not think that the blank rune exists.


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PostSubject: Re: Discussion: The Blank Rune – does it really exist?   Discussion: The Blank Rune – does it really exist? EmptyMon Aug 20 2007, 19:52

I do not think that the "blank rune" exists.

But, unfortunately, thanks to Mr. Ralph Blum and his book, many think otherwise.

The mystery surrounding this topic is one that I wish we could stop- anyone have an advanced timeturner we can use to go back in time and check up on those rune masters? *looks for a raised hand but sighs when none is seen* Okay then...well, I guess we're just going to have to discuss it and see where that takes us.

I'd like to point out some of my reasons for not believing in the existance of this rune:

- spaces between runes were commonly used in Runic writing, and those could be misinterpreted as "blank runes"
- a symbol can't be a symbol if it is blank *rolls eyes*
- nowhere has anyone been able to find concrete evidence of someone using a "blank rune" (if you have feel free to prove me wrong Discussion: The Blank Rune – does it really exist? 436937 )

I'll think of some more, no worries.

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Source: http://www.runeschool.org/topics/rs_t_blank.htm (courtesy of Lily, hehe)
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PostSubject: Re: Discussion: The Blank Rune – does it really exist?   Discussion: The Blank Rune – does it really exist? EmptyMon Aug 20 2007, 21:49

I do not know much about Runes but I do agree that it does not exits. Why is it that when you get a new set of runes they tell you to set it aside so that you can use it incase you lose another one. If it had any other purpose it would have been stated so.

Also it is a blank. Nothing cant be a symbol. A symbol is something that stands for or represents something else. That means that since it is a blank it can not represent or stand for something
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PostSubject: Re: Discussion: The Blank Rune – does it really exist?   Discussion: The Blank Rune – does it really exist? EmptyTue Aug 21 2007, 13:56

I agree Stephy, it just doesn't make sense for a rune to be blank and then people say to use it if you loose one if it had an actual purpose more important than that! I don't know too much about them either, but if you use your common sense you can see that much, lol. I wonder if we'll have an opposing viewer in this discussion :D
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PostSubject: Re: Discussion: The Blank Rune – does it really exist?   Discussion: The Blank Rune – does it really exist? EmptyTue Aug 21 2007, 14:58

I don't think that the blank rune exist because that mean there is no rune at all -because it's empty aka blank. So I don't think a blank rune exist because it actually doesn't mean anything.
It like saying a invisible letter exisits. If you can't see it (like it's blank) then it's not there

like one of j.d. salinger's story (teddy) says:
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PostSubject: Re: Discussion: The Blank Rune – does it really exist?   Discussion: The Blank Rune – does it really exist? EmptyTue Aug 21 2007, 21:08

Well now that i was thinking about how everyone says about how that if you dont see it it doesnt exist.. WHat about microrganisms.. you dont see the but they are there. So in a way you cant really use that as a explaination as to why it doesnt exist. Do you know what Im saying?
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PostSubject: Re: Discussion: The Blank Rune – does it really exist?   Discussion: The Blank Rune – does it really exist? EmptyTue Aug 21 2007, 22:35

Even though microrganisms are so small that you can't see it, scientist know and kind of 'saw' them on microscope and they have proof they are there. But a blank rune is well..blank there is no proof that anything's there because it's 'blank' or invisible.

And the website below explains why the Blank Rune does not exisit

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PostSubject: Re: Discussion: The Blank Rune – does it really exist?   Discussion: The Blank Rune – does it really exist? EmptyTue Aug 21 2007, 23:22

Oh I kind of understand what you mean. If microrganism werent seen then how do we know they exits..lol. I didnt think of that. I was just thinking of sometthing really small that no one could see with thier normal eyes
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PostSubject: Re: Discussion: The Blank Rune – does it really exist?   Discussion: The Blank Rune – does it really exist? EmptyWed Aug 22 2007, 01:45

While I can find no historical records of the blank rune, it is used today in rune readings. In modern times the blank rune is known as the Wyrd, and can signify fatefulness and mystery. Despite the popularity of including the blank rune, it also is the cause of many a debate. Drawing a blank rune in a reading nowdays can mean many things, depending on the overall picture. Some believe that it can signify that there are some things that we are not allowed to see, some claim it portends death.

It does appear that the blank rune is completely a fabrication of our modern world. I personally do not see the draw in using it. If one is involved in trying to create authentic rune readings then I can not see the point of adding a rune that has no basis in reality. Do you think that the addition of the blank rune to rune readings of today can truly give an accurate reading?




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PostSubject: Re: Discussion: The Blank Rune – does it really exist?   Discussion: The Blank Rune – does it really exist? EmptyWed Aug 22 2007, 06:05

It is true that there is no solid evidence of the elders using what is known as the Blank Rune (or the void), yet how can we say something does not exist just because there is perhaps no written evidence?

One theory which suggests why this rune is blank is that we, as humans, will never and can never know everything there is to know, it is something the Gods will know only. It gives us something to strive for.

If this rune exists, it is perhaps not in this natural world as there are no real voids here, yet it would be from the spiritual world where voids are more common. This could explain why the blank rune does not have a glyph as such. We can not see into the spiritual world, and have a lot to learn about it, therefore what is to say that we still need to learn how to really look and see, and only then will we see that in fact, this blank rune does hold a significant glyph held within the sights of the spiritual world.

Another name given to this blank rune, or void, is the Great Unknowable for this reason above.

I guess what I am saying, is just because there is no written proof, and just because we can not see it, does not actually mean it does not exist. We cant see love, but we know it is there...
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Make sure to state your opinion – does it exist or not?

Certainly the rune EXISTS - people use it. I think the question is more geared toward its accuracy, and I fully believe in the Blank Rune. Maybe it wasn't an original member of the 24 runes, but as times progress, so do ideals and beliefs. The idea of Karma has come much more into popular belief, so a rune representing the idea of Karma should as well. Just because the rune has no particularly assigned symbol, all of the runes represent an idea. An idea is not a tangible thing. The fact that the "Blank Rune" is blank represents that is it different from other runes that do have a symbol. The Blank Rune is represented by, well, its blankness.

What is the “Blank Rune?”
The black rune represents the 25th rune, more recently added to the original twenty-four. Known sometimes as "wyrd" it represents trust in yourself and in life itself, acceptance your past, present and future, and being open all possibilities as influences are out of your control. It indicates an acceptance and respect for fate.

What is its significance within the runic alphabet?
It represents a sense of accepting life as it comes and living your life knowing that your actions will come back to you in one way or another.

What are different theories?
Some theories push the idea that the stone represents the collection of three Norn goddesses or fates of Teutonic mythology, Urd, Verdandi, and Skuld, who represent the three aspects of time-past, present, and future. It may at one point have belonged to Pertho and came about with runic modifications made by the saxons.

Works Cited
"BewitchingWays.Com." The Meaning of the Blank Rune. 2007. 23 Aug. 2007 <http://www.bewitchingways.com/runes/blank.htm>.

"The Rune School." The Rune School: Topics - Blank Rune. 2005. 22 Aug. 2007 <http://www.runeschool.org/topics/rs_t_blank.htm>.
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I don't think there is much argument that the blank rune exists today, it's clearly used in many rune readings. I think the focus is on whether or not it has a legitamate place in the history of runes. If people want to make up runes to fill whatever passing craze is popular, more power to them.

There is lots we don't know about ancient runes, but at what point do we lose the integrity of the old ways? If I personally were into rune readings I would not choose to use the blank rune, although I don't have a problem if someone does.

So, in my opinion, there was no blank rune in ancient practice, it is something that we have adapted to fit our times.
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My opinion:
The Blank Rune wasn't used in history, but is real and used in today's time.


Runes are thought of as mysterious, as secrets, and the Blank Rune is the biggest secret of all-the secret of Fate. It stands apart from the rest of the runes, even as it has become a part of the divination system.

The "Blank Rune" or "Odin Rune" has no symbol. I don't think that anyone would recognize a blank stone or wooden disc as a rune, because runes by definition are symbols or glyphs of some kind. The Blank Rune is also called Wyrd (pronounced "weird"), which is the collective name given to the Norns, the three goddesses or fates of Teutonic mythology. Their individual names are Urd, Verdandi, and Skuld; they represent the three aspects of time-past, present, and future. The Norns rule over the karma that each person has accrued during his or her incarnation.

Wyrd indicates fate andfatefulness. Events that are fated or inevitable. They cannot be evaded, no matter what you do. Those events indicated in the reading may be good or bad, and the other runes in the cast will determine the nature of the event. When the rune falls in a prominent position, it indicates that if a particular step or choice is taken, life will never be the same again. Again, this could be good or bad. The rune or runes in the result position will often guide the person as to what move he or she should make.

Finally, the Blank Rune in a reading can indicate anything that must be kept secret for the good of the person. It can signify things relating to others that the person has no business knowing. Wyrd is often prominent in rune casts where the person is asking for information that is none of his business.





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I believe that the black rune does exist. As time has went on we have seen more and more evidence that it does. People obviously try to destroy evidence linking the black rune to anyone. For everyone knows once you start to conceal something, it means it really does exist.

I believe people will always think different things no matter what you tell them. Its all psychological. Its strange how one person or a group of people can damper an item such as the black rune.
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