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| ***Closing Jan 23th*** Christmas Tree Debate | |
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+8hppamela Dancingsunset dragonweaver RhiannonMei Shausto-la Snape_Luffer Vulcan/Blackjack Herbaceoustraitorous 12 posters | Author | Message |
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Herbaceoustraitorous 2nd Year
Country : Regist. date : 2006-02-23 Number of posts : 2228 Age : 40 Location : Lindsay, Ontario Real First Name : Christina Warning : House : Ravenclaw Crest : Wand : Chestnut and Dragon Heartstring Award Bar :
| Subject: ***Closing Jan 23th*** Christmas Tree Debate Mon Dec 10 2007, 14:38 | |
| Through the years there have been some controversy over chopping down Balsam Fir Trees to use as a Christmas tree; to give your house a more realistic feeling. But that being said most people find it easier to use the fake design of a Christmas Tree.
Sure we chop down trees for a week of life, or use fake trees that are made of plastic and aren't biodegradable?
So are you guys for or against real or fake trees? Here you guys can debate on your reasons and feelings on this subject. If you do use sources please state them. For participation marks you can gain a max of 60. :xmastree:
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| | | Vulcan/Blackjack 1st Year
Country : Regist. date : 2007-09-22 Number of posts : 2592 Age : 31 Location : somewhere between my dreams and this strange reality Real First Name : Lexi Warning : House : Hufflepuff, we can do anything you can do, and we look cute too :D Crest : Wand : Exam not taken Award Bar :
| Subject: Re: ***Closing Jan 23th*** Christmas Tree Debate Mon Dec 10 2007, 14:50 | |
| I am totally for using real trees! Although they only last one week, they are biodegradable and half the fun of Christmas is having a real tree. Fake trees are good in some aspects, but in others are terrible. First off, fake trees are usually thrown away after one or two years of use becuase they are cheaply made and end up in trash dumps where they can take thousands of years to decompose in proportion to the twenty minutes in which they were made. Fake trees are good for families that have allergies to certain trees, but for many families, the smell of the tree is soothing. Real trees can decompose and although they are chopped down for maybe a week or two, while they are not exactly fast about it, is not harmful to the envirement. In general, as well, real trees are less expensive than plastic ones.
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| | | Herbaceoustraitorous 2nd Year
Country : Regist. date : 2006-02-23 Number of posts : 2228 Age : 40 Location : Lindsay, Ontario Real First Name : Christina Warning : House : Ravenclaw Crest : Wand : Chestnut and Dragon Heartstring Award Bar :
| Subject: Re: ***Closing Jan 23th*** Christmas Tree Debate Mon Dec 10 2007, 15:12 | |
| - Vulcan/Blackjack wrote:
- Real trees are biodegradable and although they are chopped down for maybe a week or two, their decomposition is not harmful to the envirement.
Just for clarification Decomposition of Trees: - Quote :
- decomposing wood and the process can take years or in fact never
SourceDecomposition of Fake Trees: - Quote :
- Artificial trees are not recyclable or biodegradable
Source | |
| | | Snape_Luffer 1st Year
Country : Regist. date : 2007-09-24 Number of posts : 6331 Age : 31 Location : Orlando Real First Name : Rosalie call me Rose Warning : House : Huffley Puff!!! Crest : Wand : Exam not taken Award Bar :
| Subject: Re: ***Closing Jan 23th*** Christmas Tree Debate Mon Dec 10 2007, 15:26 | |
| I am for real trees. They can go back into the Earth when where done, unlike the fake trees. If you keep a fake tree though, you can use it agian year after year, and you don't have to kill a tree. But still, the smell of a freaash pine in your house....mmmmm. Unfortunatly, my family switched to facke trees... | |
| | | Shausto-la 1st Year
Country : Regist. date : 2007-11-16 Number of posts : 1603 Age : 30 Location : um..eating a hoagie? Real First Name : casey Warning : House : RAVENCLAW :9 Crest : Wand : Exam not taken Award Bar :
| Subject: Re: ***Closing Jan 23th*** Christmas Tree Debate Mon Dec 10 2007, 15:44 | |
| I am also allll for real trees. While fake trees may be the initial choice because of its non-messiness, they give nothing to the environment. Especially in these days when trash is so out of hand, using plastic trees that must be thrown away in a couple of years is just not a smart idea. Real christmas trees means that there will have to be many people growing them. In fact, in the United States, there are more than 21, 000 Christmas tree growers, and more than 12,000 cut-your-own farms. Here there are so many trees that help the environment by providing a home to animals and such, even if they must be cut down by christmas, since they take years to mature before they can be cut, this is some time for an ecosystem to establish itself. It can also be beneficial for people with allergies, as christmas trees remove pollen and dust from the air. - Quote :
- Artificial trees will last for six years in your home, but for centuries in a landfill.
just another reason artificial trees are not as great as they seem. source:: http://www.urbanext.uiuc.edu/trees/treefacts.html | |
| | | RhiannonMei 1st Year
Country : Regist. date : 2007-02-02 Number of posts : 4728 Age : 30 Location : I'm not sure.... Real First Name : June Warning : House : Gryffindor Crest : Wand : Exam not taken Award Bar :
| Subject: Re: ***Closing Jan 23th*** Christmas Tree Debate Mon Dec 10 2007, 16:36 | |
| I am for the use of fake trees. They have a number of advantages over real trees because of:
1. The cutting down of real trees for merely a week is extremely harmful to the environment in a world where deforestation is occurring at a gigantic rate.
2. You can reuse fake trees for your entire life.
3. Elaborating on number 1, by cutting down an enormous number of trees just for Christmas and just for a week decreases the amount of oxygen that gets put into the atmosphere and increases the amount of carbon dioxide, a greenhouse gas, that remains in the atmosphere. Also, trees take a number of years to grow and to reach maturity. Cutting down a tree takes minutes... a tree growing again takes years. Also, not all trees that are cut down for Christmas have a new one growing in their place, to replace them. Trees that are taken from the soil increase the rate of soil erosion that is no longer protected and held together by tree roots. This increased soil erosion leads to many more harmful effects to the environement, by polluting water sources through getting carried away by flowing water, polluting the air via wind, and if too much erosion occurs, than the soil will remain unfertile for a number of years and plants that previously thrived on the eventual non-existent topsoil and leaf litter will die, allowing for a possible takeover by an exotic/non-native/alien species.
Sources: My AP Environmental Science class and the textbook, Living in the Environment by.... *forgets the author* | |
| | | dragonweaver 2nd Year
Regist. date : 2007-06-22 Number of posts : 2895 Location : on the moon Real First Name : Ingrid Warning : House : Hufflepuff Wand : Ash and Phoenix Tail Feather Award Bar :
| Subject: Re: ***Closing Jan 23th*** Christmas Tree Debate Mon Dec 10 2007, 18:07 | |
| I'm for fake trees.
Now, you could buy fake trees that look practically exactly like the real ones and the fake ones don't make a mess and you don't have to throw them away.
For fake trees. as June said, you can use them your entire life and don't have to worry about buying a new one each here (and spending money for it)
And the trees are usually up 1 or 2 weeks only and other than that, the real threes go in the trash and the fake ones go in the box for next year. Why buy trees if you can use the same tree forever for just a few weeks a year?
Even if the real trees have the 'festive air' you could decorate your fake trees with many ornaments and such so it'll look festive too. And if you really like the smell of the real trees, go buy a pack of those perfume/air refreshioner and put them under the tree...
:xmastree: | |
| | | Dancingsunset 1st Year
Regist. date : 2006-08-03 Number of posts : 8545 Age : 31 Location : Stuck in Octoberland with my amazing husband Anthony Real First Name : Schizo-Dani and Eryn Warning : House : Hufflepuff don't judge us we're still badgers grrr... Crest : Wand : Exam not taken Award Bar :
| Subject: Re: ***Closing Jan 23th*** Christmas Tree Debate Mon Dec 10 2007, 20:06 | |
| I've always been indesivie about real and fake trees.
My whole life I've had a fake tree but my Cousins have always used a real tree, however they don't chop it down they dig it up roots and all, and once Christmas is over they replant it once the ground thaws.
I prefer fake trees because in my opinion they're safer, now I would never wish the curse of bing allergic to anything on anyone but I do know some people who are allergic to Pine trees/spruse trees. If you have friends who visit often I'd suggest a Fake tree for the holiday's however if you're not as passive as myself then stick with the real tree that will clog ecosystems once you despose of it. We have a fake tree in our basement storage until Christmas and unless our basement becomes a dump then I don't think it'll cause a nation upset if it stays there forever.
just my opinion. | |
| | | hppamela 5th Year
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| Subject: Re: ***Closing Jan 23th*** Christmas Tree Debate Wed Dec 12 2007, 16:20 | |
| I lean toward artificial trees mainly because I am allergic to the needles of the real ones. I am also concerned with the fire hazards that can be involved with real trees. I'm aware that there are steps that can be taken to prevent a fire, but there is too much of a risk for my taste.
Also, as a lover of all things living (I even feel guilty for swatting mosquitos), I have a series issue of cutting down a tree. I did like the sound of what Dancingsunset's cousins do.
My family used to use real trees, but it got to the point where none of us could handle them anymore. We kept the same tree for years. I now have one that my roommate and I use in our apartment that she's had for years. I'm sure she'll be using it for a long time. I think that to keep them for so long and then throwing them away is preferable to chopping down a new tree every year. | |
| | | KatieBellaTrix 5th Year
Country : Regist. date : 2006-10-24 Number of posts : 5236 Age : 31 Location : Jersey Girl Through && Through Real First Name : Let's Leave it at Katie... XD Warning : House : Gryffindor Girlie Crest : Wand : Exam not taken Award Bar :
| Subject: Re: ***Closing Jan 23th*** Christmas Tree Debate Thu Dec 13 2007, 13:57 | |
| My family has always had a real tree and I really enjoy it. No matter how good looking a fake tree is it can never replace the real thing. I also think that you can replant where you chopped down the tree. Chrismas tree farms do that so that they can have more trees in years to come, so really were not losing any trees because were planting them back. Also, even if the wood doesn't go back into the soil people can use it for like fire wood and other things you can't do that with a fake tree. | |
| | | hppamela 5th Year
Country : Regist. date : 2007-11-04 Number of posts : 5190 Age : 41 Location : Valparaiso, In Real First Name : Pamela Warning : House : Gryffie Lion--Hear my roar! Crest : Wand : Holly and Phoenix Tail Feather Award Bar :
| Subject: Re: ***Closing Jan 23th*** Christmas Tree Debate Thu Dec 13 2007, 14:03 | |
| That is a good point. I suppose you could also use needles for potpourri or decorations. I hadn't thought of the use as firewood. | |
| | | RhiannonMei 1st Year
Country : Regist. date : 2007-02-02 Number of posts : 4728 Age : 30 Location : I'm not sure.... Real First Name : June Warning : House : Gryffindor Crest : Wand : Exam not taken Award Bar :
| Subject: Re: ***Closing Jan 23th*** Christmas Tree Debate Thu Dec 13 2007, 15:05 | |
| However, the burning of trees contributes carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases to the atmosphere! Also, if the companies that grow trees especially for Christmas DO replant, it takes a very long time before that seed becomes a semi-mature tree. Also, the making of a Christmas tree farm is environmentally detrimental. In order to have a tree farm there, the land there must first be completely cleared. This results in a loss of habitats for species, a decrease in biodiversity if a specialist species is wiped out, and also promotes soil erosion in the time between the first steps of clearance and the finished planting of christmas trees/other trees. In order to have a tree farm, some sort of biome must be destroyed, usually part of a deciduous/coniferous forest or grassland.
*Bites lip to keep from going on a longer environmental tirade* | |
| | | Rigby Dumbledore 3rd Year
Country : Regist. date : 2007-01-30 Number of posts : 4801 Location : Rêveur Real First Name : Kate or Katie Warning : House : Ravenclaw Crest : Wand : Exam not taken Award Bar :
| Subject: Re: ***Closing Jan 23th*** Christmas Tree Debate Thu Dec 13 2007, 15:52 | |
| In this debate there is also the the issue of safety. Real trees, which I grew up with, pose a more severe fire hazard than do their faux counterparts. Real trees are dead, and even under the best conditions will begin to dry out, couple that with the intense heat of some chirstmas lights and you have a recipe for disaster. Fake trees, like the one I know have, often come prelighted with lights that were tested to work best with the tree. In these days where the scent of a real tree can be captured in a can, there is little asthetic difference between the two. My first artifical tree, which my husband convinced me to get, actually rotated (although I compromised with the artificial tree, I won with white lights). A lot of people argue that artificial trees can last for years, but that has certainly not been my experience. From broken trees, to lights that no longer blink, to limbs that refuse to fluff, artificial trees need replacing. I beleive that in the future artificial trees will be more enviormently friendly. For now those who wish to preserve the enviorment, the best choice may be to plant an evergreen in your front yard and decorate with it outdoor lights. | |
| | | Vulcan/Blackjack 1st Year
Country : Regist. date : 2007-09-22 Number of posts : 2592 Age : 31 Location : somewhere between my dreams and this strange reality Real First Name : Lexi Warning : House : Hufflepuff, we can do anything you can do, and we look cute too :D Crest : Wand : Exam not taken Award Bar :
| Subject: Re: ***Closing Jan 23th*** Christmas Tree Debate Thu Dec 13 2007, 16:18 | |
| Still agreeing with real trees, although they do pose a fire hazard, they can be mulched after you use them and that mulch can be used to plant something else. As well as being useful after they die, they are also useful when alive by being a 'sponge' for Carbon Dioxide. Christmas trees also hold soil in (up till the point where they are cut), so in some places this is needed to prevent flooding. Christmas trees are cut down in the winter, and everyone knows that. But what about the other months when they are alive and thriving? Trees provide a great place for birds and other animals to nest before they are cut.
Sources:
Science Class (we have a terrible teacher, so mostly the book...) http://www.historictrees.org/ht_m/treenv_co.htm | |
| | | Snape_Luffer 1st Year
Country : Regist. date : 2007-09-24 Number of posts : 6331 Age : 31 Location : Orlando Real First Name : Rosalie call me Rose Warning : House : Huffley Puff!!! Crest : Wand : Exam not taken Award Bar :
| Subject: Re: ***Closing Jan 23th*** Christmas Tree Debate Thu Dec 13 2007, 16:32 | |
| You have a great point, Skie | |
| | | RhiannonMei 1st Year
Country : Regist. date : 2007-02-02 Number of posts : 4728 Age : 30 Location : I'm not sure.... Real First Name : June Warning : House : Gryffindor Crest : Wand : Exam not taken Award Bar :
| Subject: Re: ***Closing Jan 23th*** Christmas Tree Debate Thu Dec 13 2007, 19:49 | |
| But Skie, most people who use real trees DON'T mulch them. Where I live, after Christmas, I see tons of christmas trees lying on their sides, limp and brown next to the curb. Then, the garbage truck takes them away and dumps them somewhere..... | |
| | | Shausto-la 1st Year
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| Subject: Re: ***Closing Jan 23th*** Christmas Tree Debate Fri Dec 14 2007, 21:37 | |
| i think no matter what kind of tree somebody decides to use, there is no good way to dispose of it. A real tree though will eventually naturally be decomposed back into the ground. A fake tree cant do that because its, welll man made. Its not natural. it wont decompose safely, but instead will release toxins and other harmful things into the surrounding environment just like any other trash.
Lets all just use holograms of trees. Get the smell in a candle or something and all the christmas cheer is there without the issue of "real or fake?" | |
| | | stephy Head Girl : 5th Year : Death Eater
Country : Regist. date : 2006-06-03 Number of posts : 30328 Age : 34 Location : At the Cullen's house stealing Jasper Real First Name : Stephanie, Polly calls me Stephums, Kim calls me Steffie and among others Im either mommy or granny Warning : House : ravenclaw Crest : Wand : Walnut & Phoenix Tail Feather Award Bar :
| Subject: Re: ***Closing Jan 23th*** Christmas Tree Debate Fri Dec 14 2007, 22:08 | |
| Well our family always get a real one but I dont really see the reason in it other than the fact that it looks like a real tree (maybe because it is a real tree). I dont really care for the fake ones because they dont look that real but I would rather have a fake tree that you can use again and again, year after year instead of having to buy one every year. And also the real ones you have to keep cleaning up the leaves just about every day and there are many other things that i need to do instead of worrying about cleaning up after a tree. And also we need all of the trees that we can get. After all they make us oxygen to breath.
Thats what I think about them | |
| | | PrincessPotter 1st Year
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| | | | Herbaceoustraitorous 2nd Year
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| Thanks everyone for participating. Here are you scores and see you next term.
Ravenclaw Shausto-la 60 Rigby Dumbledore 60 Stephy 55 PrincessPotter 55
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