Discussion #4 - Horcruxes. Would you? (Closing 31st March)

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It's time we approach a rather controversial theme in the last two Harry Potter books.

Horcruxes. Would you dare to do one? Would you corrupt your soul? Is it worth it? And from the point of view of a dark wizard, is it worth it? What are your feelings towards Horcruxes. Discuss this and more. Don't ever forget to respect others opinions though!

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Subject: Horcruxes Mon Feb 25 2008, 10:58

I think that Horcruxes are dangerous yet potentially a good idea. I think that it is a good tool to have a Horcrux back up but to split a soul into 7 like Voldermort you must be, I believe, WAY past evil.

To split a soul is a dangerous business and requires the splitter to have no conscience, like Voldermort. As for the idea of being able to put yourself back together by feeling remorse, i doubt very much that any wizards have tried this once they have split.

I therefore believe that, as is stated in the book, you make your soul unstable by splitting it and therefore I would say that it would be worth it to a Dark wizard in many ways, yet the unstable bit would put their rein of terror at risk. For a normal witch or wizard it is plain unimaginable.

I strongly stand by my belief and hope that many others do too. Am I correct??

I would NEVER make a horcrux. First and foremost because you would have to kill to make one. I can't imagine killing anyone.. that would be horrible. So that is basically the main reason. However, I never really wanted to live forever. Imagine living longer than everyone you know and love. I think you would be pretty lonely after a while and I can't see myself doing that. You can see my religious beleifs when I say that were going to live eternally anyway, and I'd rather do that in heaven than on Earth. I really don't think it's worth it for anyone to do it. They aren't fool proof as it was pointed out in DH so there's a risk anyway. I think that you're better of getting what you can accomplished in a normal life span.

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I don't think I would make a horcux, killing like Katie said would be impossible for me, I couldn't take a life, and theres more risk with a horcux than without. Think if you had a horcux, how protective of it would you be? how would you leave to go out without the item holding the little beating soul inside? Immortality is wrong, God wouldn't make us to be mortal if it were right to live forever would he? Hermione says in DH that redeeming yourself would be nearly impossible,you would either have to kill part of you own soul, or redeem yourself both would leave you cursed and weak. By redeeming yourself you would nearly have to kill yourself and by killing your soul inside the horcux you would only have half the soul you were born with.
And finally as Katie said I wouldn't want to live forever anyway, watching my friends, kids, grandchildren and so-on would break even the most heartless persons heart.

Would you dare to do one?
Never, it's that simple. I mean, it has to be painful, ripping your soul into pieces.

Would you corrupt your soul?
1st answer, never.

Is it worth it?
It depends who you are. Not to me, I've never been able to handle much pain.

And from the point of view of a dark wizard, is it worth it?
To a dark wizard, of course! I mean, eternat life for some pain! to a dark wizard, it would be worth a lot more.

What are your feelings towards Horcruxes. Discuss this and more. Don't ever forget to respect others opinions though.
I don't like them, I just plain do not like them, sorry.

Yes. Im afraid of death and if I could i probly would.You could think Im selffish but I would.But I wouldnt kill someone just to do it.I would probly wait until someone is, you know begging for death because they are in so much pain and wouldnt live.Then I would make on, but I wouldnt just make one and kill someone who doesnt need to die.But then again, I would hate to be in pain. But i'm one of those peolpe who can stand pain. then if I ever wanted to die. I'll kill it and just let the rest of my soul die. But I'm just one of those peolpe who are afraid to die. I've seen more then enough peolpe die in my 14 years and it scares me. I had to watch my great grand father,who i was close to,my grand father,which i just started getting close to, my grand mother,who loved us all the same and never mistreated the other ones, my ninnie,who i can barely remeber,and some others i cant remeber. So when i saw them in pain, it made me scared to die.If also seen my aunt and my father each have near death experince and it made me cry thinking how much pain they were in.

Discussion #4 - Horcruxes. Would you?

Hasn’t everyone always wondered what it would be like to live forever? Didn’t you ever think it would be great to do that, because I have. And still now I wish that I could live forever. Sure your going to loose everyone you ever knew and loved but you will get to see everything change make new friends. You will never ever forget your family. But saying that I would love to live forever and actually going about it would be a completely different thing. Of course I would do it if it didn’t involve killing someone. I have a foul and often say to people if they don’t shut up I will kill them. If I was in the Wizarding would I think I would become obsessed over the fact that I could live forever like voldemort trying endlessly to find a way in which I could succeed this though more than likely I would never be so cruel as to kill someone? BUT if someone I knew was dying of an illness and they asked me to kill them I would do it, its only fair to them to do that. But I’m going a bit of topic there. I would use the fact that I had killed someone to create a horcrux. I might worry about the fact that I killed someone but it was their wish and in both ways we would have benefited.
Creating a horcrux is basically ripped your soul but I would try to make sure I didn’t come completely twisted though I’m sure the fact that I am going to live forever will make it all the more difficult to contain that. The most likely thing that would happen is that I would think I had not been corrupted when in actual fact I have. Is it worth it? Now that’s a very good question. Is it worth living forever to see all the people you love die. And yet you make more friends have all the time in the world to do everything. You could study every martial arts every spell every language. Everything. Of course you would have to keep this small fact a secret and probably move around a lot like the cullens but personally I think it is worth it. If any only if the death of the person you used to create your horcrux was someone who wanted to die. If it was not then you will live you life in regret.
Now Horcruxes are extremely dangerous things and after what voldemort did I think all knowledge of them should be erased any reference in books etc. Though I would love to live forever many people like voldemort are going to use the horcrux for mass destruction and extreme power. Now to dark wizards this is possibly the darkest magic of them all. To them it would be worth it wouldn’t it? If they became weirdly insane like voldemort they wouldn’t know but if they are dark wizards who know their mind they will watch the destruction they have caused. And to some people like people in prison’s for example they would rather choose to die than to live with the hell they have created for themselves. Such an immense way to create hell is not worth it to any dark wizard.
To sum things up, Horcruxes are a cruel way as to live forever. Though of course many people like my selves dream of living forever it’s a heartless and cruel thing to do.

I'll admit, like Violet, I fear death. But I would definitely never, ever, make a Horcrux. To corrupt my soul would be just awful, because we've seen that souls are very important in the Wizarding world. Unlike in the muggle world, instead of the Death Penalty, supremely awful criminals are given "the Kiss"-their soul is sucked out, a fate worse than death. I wouldn't ever want to put myself through that. From the point of a Dark Wizard, however, I definltely could see how it was worth it. Voldemort wanted to do it to secure his immortality, and he wanted that so bad he'd be willing to do anything. But, my feelings towards Horcruxes are incredibly different. No badly how I wanted something, I couldn't see myself doing something so drastic to achieve that.

Another problem with horcruxes is that you'd have to guard them incredibly well, and still there might be possibilities that someone could find them and destroy it. So you may have to carry the horcrux around with you, and we know that severely affected Harry, Ron, and Hermione. Whether or not it would affect the person who created the horcrux, I don't know, but I can't imagine it being a good effect.

Katie said earlier that in order to make a horcrux you'd want to live forever, and like her, I've never really wanted that. While it would be cool to never die and see the advancements in the future, it would be hard watching those you know and love die, and as each generation passes, you remains the same. That would, in the end, just depress me, and not make what I had done-killing someone, and I'm a very nonviolent person-not worth it at all. I also believe in heaven, and would rather "live forever" there.

It's been mentioned before that people would kill someone if they asked them to do it and were dying anyway. I still don't know if I would be able to do that, because then I'd still have their death on my conscious.

Horcruxes are dangerous, and they don't last forever, as we saw in Harry Potter. So why put yourself through all of that when, in the end, the possibility remains for failure? It's rather twisted logic. Do something so that you can become immortal but to do it you weaken youself, and what you weakened yourself for is weak itself. The only way to repair yourself is via feeling remorse, and how could someone be so evil as to kill another to split their soul so that they could live ever feel that?

My opion on this topic is split. Like Polly I would love to continue on living to learn as mcuh as I can. Just imagine it, you will have all of the time in the world and as you live life you wont regret some of that time wasted because, well, you are living forever. With eternal life you would be able to do so much good for the world and as you grow older and older you will become more wiser but there is a drawback to it. As you continue to live those around you will die. You would have to go through dealing with the death of loved ones for years and years and even if you do try to make new friends you will still have thier deaths to look forward to. That is the one thing I would not be able to deal with. In the past I have had to deal with so many loved ones deaths and each of them had a huge impact one me. Imagine having to deal with this ten, fifteen, twenty, maybe even hundrad more times than if you were to lead a m normal short life. Imagine all of those funerals you would have to go to. That is the one thing that would change my mind making it so that I would not split my soul. I would rather live a short life trying to do as much as possible with the amount of time that I'm given to do what it is Im suppose to do on this earth. Then once I die I get to look forward to heaven where I shall be reunited with those who had departed from this earth.

Just as everyone else has said in order to make a horcrux you have to kill someone. I do not beleive that I could do such a thing. I could not go up to some man and just kill them just so that I could live longer. I couldnt even kill someone who was in pain and wanted to die. I would much rather take that person's place than take them out of thier minsery.

Now I beleive that a Dark wizard would be able to live a long and happy life if they were to rip thier soul. All they care about is tryign to take over the world and that takes times. IF they rip thier soul than they will have all of the time that they need. Also Dark wizards kill many poeple all of the time giving them many oppertunities to make one. If a Dark wizard were to make one then they would see how helpful a horcrux is to them

Voldemort's last horcrux was made accidentally, making H.Potter a horcrux. It's not known by Voldemort himself. Also no one knows when their horcrux got deleted or not unless they put somekind of Security sensor.
Anyway, even if I know how to make some, I won't split my soul as Death is no fear for me. Also, keeping a soul healthy is most important in any human...
as long as he/she didn't get a Dementor Kiss

Horcruxes ?! I don't think i would do one and i dare not. I want to be immortal through, i would rather just find other way to live forever instead of making Horcruxes, and making Horcruxes required you to kill other people so it is not a very good idea.

I don't want to corrupt my soul, just like S.master had said. Keeping a soul healthy is very important. I don't think it is worth it, who might kill you anyway, unless you have someone that hate you so much, now many people would say accident might happened so what? you can just consult a seer to make sure if accident might happened or look for Grim Mark.

From a dark wizard point of view, i would say they would make sure to be immortial and they would have load of enemy waiting to kill them so for them it might worth it. Perfect Example: Voldemort (i think he is nut and there is Dumblordore and the whole order is right under his tail).

Horcruxes in my opinion is one pretty easy way to achieve immortally but with a big price, and Horcruxes also have its other disadvantages other than corrupting the soul. If a dark wizard's horcruxes had been found, then it is pretty useless, and they are many way to find all these horcruxes potion. One of the way i think is trick the Dark Wizard to drink the truth potion (i forget the name) and you just need to destory it or maybe drink the lucky potion (forget the name again..) and start searching. If a dark wizard haven't hidden it properly, it would be easy to find.

well John, u still want to be Immortal? For me , I think human range of life is more than enough.. It will be really good to live if this world is clean n full of happyness.. but in this kind of situation, even if someone offer me immortality for free-of-charge. I dun think there is someone out there who wanna kill me. Well, tat's the point. Avoid getting kill by making ally or friends rather than 'ving enemy or rivals. I dunno, I m not much good with Humans' stuff.

sory for double posting, One Question plse!
Does the Horcruxes work against Dementors?
I mean for example, "John has couples of Horcruxes, and I sent a Dementor to kiss him, would the horcruxes recover it owner back to normal after being kissed."

I suppose horcruxes could be good for some people who shouldn't die because they are important (such as Dumbledore). But I personally wouldn't create one. I mean I have no reason to want to.

Would you dare to do one?
Heavens no.

Would you corrupt your soul?
Definitely not.

Is it worth it?
Not for me.

And from the point of view of a dark wizard, is it worth it?
Of course. To be immortal and cheat death, isn't that what a dark wizard dreams?

What are your feelings towards Horcruxes?
I think they are practically pointless and can practically be filed under 'dark arts' since it is probably more used for dark means.

Horcruxes are tricky mistresses to tame. The wizard knows what they are going to do to themselves but it must still be a scary thing to do. I personally would prefer to keep my soul all in one, thank-you very much, my soul is precious to me and I would never split it our let it get to such the pitch where I would want a part of my soul some where I am not.

A dark wizard is constantly being hunted and the fact they can never die as long as their Horcrux survives must be comforting but the fact that you must hide it and protect it must be a burden worthy of filling the gap of relief the “As long as my Horcrux survives, I will live” thought creates.

From an outside point of view, eternal (-ish) life may be a good thing but the fact you tear (not cut cleanly) your soul, to me, is a distressing motion and not something to be tempted.

I would be a fool and a liar if I said that I didn't fear Death. But then, the more I think about it, the more I realise that death would be quicker and less painful:

"Does it hurt?" [...] "Dying? Not at all, [...] quicker and easier than falling asleep."

To make a horcrux would make you unstable, evil, not able even to feel if you lost a part of your soul. (When Ron stabs the locket, Voldemort doesn't realise.) And to put your soul back together again by feeling remorse - Voldemort would not be able to feel remorse. He fears the dead, why should he feel sorry for them?

However, instead of Horcruxes, it would be infinatly better to use the Hallows, although if you were searching for them for power you would not be worthy of them. So I think that it would be best to let Death do his work, because there could be disastrous consequences.

"Tell him that on the night Voldemort tried to kill him, when Lily cast her own life between them as a sheild, the Killing Curse rebounded upon Lord Voldemort, and a fragment of Voldemort's soul was blasted apart from the whole [...]" His soul was so fragile, it was blasted apart, but Harry's soul, which was untarnished and whole was left untarnished and whole.

So, to put it in a nutshell, Death was made for a reason.

Horcruxe's

A Horcruxe is you soul being taken from you, to be immortal is every dark lords dream. To be able to live on forever. I am a Gryffindor and I am brave and would want to live on but you have to think that you might be able to live on but you aren't living your life.

A Horcruxe is made through someone else, it is made through thier LIFE. You kill that man or woman and you are creating your so called life, lets a say you have a cookie, and your cookie is being torn apart bit by bit and hiddin.

As Voldemort does through the ring, or the locket, he hides himself through those objects which I belive will be gone, where you have a part of you that could be destroyed, it could be gone forever. And its right there that you are not human so its right there where you have lost a piece of your cookie because someone found it and ate it.

You ask me, would you dare to do one, would you corrupt your soul, is it worth it? For a dark lord it is, it is that step for them themselve to become that dark lord they long to be, to be immortal. For myself, It is me loosing ME. I would be lost. sad

This discussion is now closed. Here are your results:

Gryffindor:

KatieBellaTrix - 10
Im_Hermione - 15

Ravenclaw (plus 20 for most students taking part):

potterchic - 5
polly - 40
stephy - 30
yiecjohn - 30
Blue Rabbit Babe - 10

Hufflepuff:

harry_potter_rules_27 - 20
pickles - 20
Just_Ginny - 40

Slytherin:

violetriddle - 10
S.Master - 10
drkangelcat - 5
x_cookie_monster_x - 15

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