Discussion: Weather Charms

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Subject: Discussion: Weather Charms Mon Feb 25 2008, 17:50

In this discussion, consider these points:

- Are there limits to weather charms? As we saw in DH, it's possible to cause rain indoors, but do you think it would be possible to, say, conjure a hurricane?
- Should weather charms be used at all? Is it like messing with nature?
- How do you think weather charms are used in the wizarding world, aside from causing rain in offices?

If any other points related to weather charms come up in discussion, feel free to discuss those as well . This class will be graded periodically.

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Subject: Re: Discussion: Weather Charms Mon Feb 25 2008, 18:01

I think that there are limits on weather charms because or else it would be utter chaos. Can you imagine being able to create a tornado over your enemy's house? That would be insane. (Although you could use it to get rid of Voldemort.) I think that there is a size limit, so that they can make things difficult without them getting too out of hand.

I don't agree with using weather charms because it is like messing with nature. If you make it sun everyday, plants won't get the water they need to grow. And if you let it rain everyday you would drown the plants. I think mother nature knows what she's doing and you just let her be.

I think weather charms could be used if they are having problems with the naturaul weather. For example, they could use them to end droughts and things like that.

Subject: Re: Discussion: Weather Charms Fri Feb 29 2008, 13:05

Like all magic, weather charms probably do have limits. I think that instead of being able to change the type of weather that can be conjured, I think it depends more on the place in which you generate it. A hurricane in a small office room, sounds like it could happen. But a hurricane in a room the size of a football stadium is probably not something that could be achieved. The strength of the weather charms would also depend on the power of the wizard who was performing the charm. No first year is about to conjure a tornado in the middle of their charms class while they're bored. Any weather of a great magnitude would probably take more than one witch or wizard to conjure in a larger space.

I think that there should be a moderation with weather charms. While for growing plants, like Katie said, Mother Nature does generally know best. But if a little bit of rain won't hurt your green house, then it should be fine. Weather charms shouldn't be used to solve every little problem you have with the weather, though. It seems like a complicated branch of magic that would just cause more work than it was worth, and honestly, whatever you might need a weather charm for could probably be dealt with in another way.

As Katie said above, weather charms are probably used to help with droughts or things like that. Another use for weather charms could be to calm a storm while you're at sea, so that your ship doesn't end up sinking. Speaking of sailing, you could generate more wind so that if the day because very calm, you're still able to get where you're going. If the weather is too hot, maybe you could push a cloud in front of the sun or create a little breeze to help bring relief. Lightning, which can be very dangerous, might be able to be negated so that it doesn't cause any damage. Because we know so little about weather charms, the realm of possibility for what they can do is very large.

Subject: Re: Discussion: Weather Charms Sat Mar 01 2008, 21:38

I do believe that there would be limits. Like all magic depending on how strong you are will affect how big of a spell you can preform. Like the Disillusionment charm, if you are powerful enough you can make yourself completely invisable but if your not that powerful then all you can do is blend in with your background. The same would go for weather charms. If your not that powerful you could make it rain in a bottle and if your really powerful you might be able to make a tornado appear in a large room

Weather charms should not be used unless there is a great need for them. I do not think that you should make a cloudy day sunny just becuase you would rather it be a sunny day than a rainy one. It's rainy some days and cloudy others, theres a reason for it. But as Katie said if there is a draught and there hasnt been water in an aera for days and peopel are dying from dehydration then yes I do think that it would be okay to change the weather but other than taht it should remain to what it is suppose to be

Wizards might use weather charms to help out the muggles in thier time of need. Like I said before if there is a draught and muggles are dying then they might give them some rain. If there is a lot of rain that is causing mudslides than they might make it sunny. They might only change the weather to help save muggle lives.

Subject: Re: Discussion: Weather Charms Sun Mar 02 2008, 09:13

Are there limits to weather charms? Yes i would say there are limits to weather charms. Because a spell wont last forever and it can't go over a huge area.
As we saw in DH, it's possible to cause rain indoors, but do you think it would be possible to, say, conjure a hurricane? i think you could but it would be very hard and top level magic. but it wouldn't last long enough to do big time damage.
Should weather charms be used at all? I dont think weather charms should be used at all.
Is it like messing with nature? Yes it is messing with nature because nature has its own course.
How do you think weather charms are used in the wizarding world, aside from causing rain in offices? i think weather charms are sued in the wizarding world other than raining offices to make it stop raining or for the magical people to mess with nature and change the day.

Subject: Re: Discussion: Weather Charms Tue Mar 04 2008, 23:45

I think there are limits to weather charms.Just like Jamoki say a spell won't last forever.
I think it is possible to conjure a hurricane as in the HP 5 someone i forget who say there is a hurricane in the ministry .
We should not use weather charms unless we really need it, such as when there is a drought or storms.
I think using Weather Charms is messing with the nature, nature itself is has it own way.
In the wizard world, I think not too many wizard had the power to conjure a Weather Charms, and maybe because of that, there are hardly Weather Charms used ,except in the Great Hall and Ministry of Magic.

Subject: Re: Discussion: Weather Charms Wed Mar 05 2008, 03:49

Weather charms, they will be very useful indeed in places like Deserts...trying to grow Crops there. I heard there is some muggle tech to make artificial rain becoz last time Thai used tat in places where there'sn't rain n people r suffering for it. It shows tat even Muggles do their best to change weathers to use for goods. It means we should use them for goods too. but creating stuff like Hurricane could do danger when it's used by Wrong people(I mean Criminals). Hurricane won't be very hard to conjure as in one part of HP5 Order of Phoenix, Mr Weasley told Harry abt they had Hurricane in Ministry. Also, weather effects people's mind n condition of work too much. In cool n wet weather people become dull and in hot n warm weather , people become lazy and weak. Also, their emotions too. A person can easily get angry when the weather is too hot or etc.
Using weather charm may be against nature but there r some places and situation where we must use them to save lives of innocents or like tat.
Btw, one point about the comment by John, Great Hall hasn't got Weather Charmed. It's just illusion more likely.

Subject: Re: Discussion: Weather Charms Mon Mar 10 2008, 18:38

I think that weather charms should have limits. Such as anything that can effect the environment in a major way. We don't want anything that will make global warming happen any sooner and we don't want some innocent people to die (that is unless you are Voldemort or one of his followers).

Certain things such as rain for crops, or practically harmless pranks of rain indoors, should be permitted as long as it has no long-lasting harmfull effects.

Subject: Re: Discussion: Weather Charms Sun Apr 13 2008, 18:03

I do not believe that weather charms have limits. But they would however be hard magic to accomplish so the average wizard could not just create a hurricane (plus most wizards would just apperate away). Weather charms are not messing with nature, because if they were you wouldnt be able to do them at all. And cat, you said we dont want inoccent people to die except voldemort and his followers. I believe they dont fall under that 'innocent people' category! Discussion: Weather Charms 436937

Subject: Re: Discussion: Weather Charms Mon Apr 28 2008, 13:12

As we see in the Deathly Hallows, rain, wind, gales, snow, are all used at the MOM headquaters. I think a powerful charm creates a powerful result, so I think someone in a simalar leauge to Dumbledore and Voldemort, could potentionally produce a hurricane, as its just speeds up, and tranforms existing winds. Anyway arn't super-natural huricanes meioned in the first chapter of the HBP?
I personally don't think that weather charms should be used, as people moan about the existing weather, so why make it worse?
The only other reason I can think for a weather charm to be used is as a dertrant or to scare people.

Subject: Re: Discussion: Weather Charms Thu Aug 14 2008, 17:34

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