Great Hall Post Length REQUIREMENT

I apologise if posting here isn't allowed, but I didn't arrive in time to say anything on the poll by the time I found out about it.

I wanted to say that imposing a limit isn't so good as some of us really try to write longer posts, but we lack the vocabulary to write ones long enough. I certainly find it hard to put together a post that's easy enough to read and that will make sense to anyone other than myself. Those of us who don't live in English speaking countries are at a disadvantage to those who do. I certainly found that my English is slipping since I moved to France, and certain things I say don't work, or I can only think of what I want to say in French.

Do you think it fair to impose on us a restricion of that length when it means that role playing for us, which is a way of escaping, certainly for me. It means that we are no longer having fun because we are trying to write posts that meet the limit and therefore there is no joy left in what we enjoyed so much.

I use the role play to escape from life in general, to be some one I'm not or some one I want to be. There are problems that you can hide from for a while if you're immersed in playing with other people, normal people (most of the time).

I ask of you that if you must impose a restriction on us, please shorten it. As my teachers constantly say, "It's the quality of the writing that counts, not the quantity".

Thank you
Shadow Granger.

((It took me 20 minutes and a French English dictionary to write this post.))

I have edited the original post for a 10 line post or equivelent, which means conversations can be included within the line limit. This does not have to be 10 full lines.


If you can not quite manage 10 lines, which as you say its the quality not the quantity, then dont worry too much, though I do ask that no one liners be used as it has come to our attention that many people simply spam this way.


I hope that this is a better way?

Thank you for your input as well as the two others who pm'ed me with input. I appreciate all forms of suggestion and try to accomodate everyone. If you still feel that this alternative is not quite right i will be hapy to hear other and more suggestions.

Some people I have noticed are ignoring Elfie's rule. I wanted to remind everyone that posts could be deleted if not around 10 lines. This is not a lot of lines and Ive seen some small one liners still as Im sure other staff has.

Ther are not many rules on HE compared to some sites, so please respect the ones we do have.

Thanks
Chelle


Some threads I have seen
The Wedding [[Shadow and Jamie.]]


America....why did we go here?


Violet's return

Dear Elfie-

Out of all the people who complained about the post length, only the same people role play. That is Shadow; Hannah; Lucy; Matt; Stephy; Nixy; Haley; Lynn; Dora; Kimmers; and me. I would have thought that after then new post length was posted, more people would come in and it would help us that had problems with forming words and all. But when no one did, we just tried to reach it and after the third day, it just got harder and harder to reach the post length. And you said in a post that people consider one-liners spam. But wouldn’t you rather the one liner then us just writing random stuff to almost reach the post length that have no reason to be there?

I had no problem with the one or two- liners. I’m pretty sure none of us who still role play had a problem with it. I could see why you would have a problem with people seeing it as spam, but we were just happier with it then having to write something stupid just to match the other stupid things in the post above. And those who have school and don’t get to role play during the day, it gets hard having to read everything that don’t fit in and trying to write something with it and they have no idea what you mean. And the fact that only us ten role play, well with just us who don’t really role play that much together, it’s hard trying to reach the length. Me and Nixy tried it and with the two of us just role playing together, it was hard. At first we could reach it, but after fourth post, we gave up and tried to at least get enough until we just got to tired and stopped.

If this came off rude, I’m really sorry. But reaching that post length is really hard. I have tried more then I could to and sometime I wont post until the next day just trying to write something that will fit. I don’t really think there shouldn’t be a post length if none of the people who complained about it don’t role play with none of us.

-Vi and Nixy


((we were not sure if we should post here or not...so we posted here..))

((In addition to what Violet said.))

I also tried to follow the rule, but understandibly it does get tirering and completely silly to write stuff just for the sake of it. I'm not bashing any members on the site, but I've seen this happen before on other sites. Not to be rude, but Katherineee Anne complained about the post lenght requirements, and got what she wanted (As i know i voted no on the poll) which was a higher post requirment, fair enough if you acctually plan to role play, but she hasn't came back since.

I think it would be fairer to let bigons be bigons. To be honest one liners aren't so bad, all of the people Vi mentioned have been role playing for a while now and we haven't had any problems with it ever. I think it should basically be like this. One liners aren't allowed, but anything higher than that is. If a person starts a topic and wants a certain post requirment then they should state that in the topic title or on the first post. Fairest way possible.

As Vi said, this wasn't said to be rude to anyone, (sorry to Katherineee for bringing this up, she's a good friend but it's just not fair the way that it was all done.) And Elfie I know it's hard trying to help everyone, but i think my suggestion sort of soves that problem/.
Thanks
Pickles

It is certain that there is very little of those between us who currently have a problem with the posts of one or two lines. I start again at school in two weeks, and will almost not have time to come on HE because I have at least 4 large exams of which to study and I do not want to waste invaluable time I will have on the Net to read posts of 10 lines which say practically nothing!

Seriously, I have the same idea as Pickles that one wants to have a restriction, it is necessary to put it in the title and to leave other quiet in their play. Yes, it is necessary to avoid the posts of two or three words, but nevertheless! A sentence makes it possible to advance the history, and sometimes one does not need description inside because one already imagined as one wants.

Sorry if this letter appears malicious to you or rude in all the cases, but we ask you to remove the restriction.

Thank you.
Shadow.

I appreciate all of your honesty, and no I havent taken offence to any of it. I always appreciate suggestions from members and always try to accomodate everyone. Unfortunately, as pointed out above, sometimes this is a difficult thing to do.

I understand what everyone has said and I have had lengthy conversations with Raist about this issue and we both feel that the 10 line restriction needs to be kept, though it is a flexible restriction meaning that if you cant quite make the 10 lines, though posts are of quality then it will be overlooked.

We can not accept one liners or less, though, as this is a general rule of HE which is for all over the site and has been in place for a long while except for the games forum.

Post counts are important on HE and will be more so as new things come in the next few terms and it is unfair to those who make longer posts to gain the level.



so to sumerise;

The 10 line rule is still in effect though is flexible and as long as posts are of quality then if you cant quite make it 10 lines then we will overlook it.

One liners and less are certainly not allowed.


Also I would like to add that grammer and spelling and perfect English is not a requirement here on HE. Im English and Im terrible at speaking it!! SMS speak is not allowed but dont worry about poor English by any means.


Also something to consider: At this present time I am trying to get a feature installed to cancel post counts in certain forums. If we can do this then post cound of any length wont matter in the slightest!


Feedback for this post is welcome and I will try to answer everyone


I hope this helps

Elfie No!
Please please please not here! I think most of us like to role play for the fun and for the posts. I know some of the post count for some is getting alarmingly high but some of us like to do it for the enjoyment and for the posts. I ask beg of you not to take away post count in role play, anywhere but here!

Role play is were I/ and i know some others get 95% of their posts from. I understand the post length but not taking away the count, please re consider this. I don't think anyone here will be happy about it.
thanks
pickles

Elfie,

In truth, this forum gives us all the possibility of escaping a life that perhaps one needs to drop sometimes. Certainly for me it is a life where I can be who I want. These rules which you set up increase the stress. It is thought that one needs to write 10 lines to be able to be accepted, and it breaks the game which one likes so much to play. The account of posts help us has to distinguish us the ones the others. If it were not for RP, I would be still approximately a fourth year. The play was liked that it had before and the introduction of these rules despairs us for the future one.

It is like a team competition, and one gave a disadvantage to those which adored the sport and thus put everything that they had to gain and to be proud of something which one achieved, us and our friends. And if it were you, Elfie, the judge of this comeptition? What it was you who tore off us the competition in the sport by giving us a disadvantage? How would you feel? For this is how we feel about the post counts.

Shadow.

Hello

I just wanted to vent my issues here about the new regulations too.
I have been watching this, and I have to say certain things to get them off my mind.

Role play is where I post most in all of HE. It is a fun and interesting way of bumping up my posts and I have made great friends here. I would never have got to seventh year at all in this short time if it weren't for role play.

I thank you for seeing reason with the whole 10 line thing. I shall try my hardest not to do only one line posts and would encourage others to do so too.

Hoping you are well
LucyXX

*Claps for Elana and jenn.*

Yea, i think that's a good idea. I stopped Rping here whenever I saw MarieC and Ambys site, then after a while of two complete paragraphs it was easy to fill the requirment there. But here's different, this isn't an Rp site and it's just there for a little fun, maybe putting it down for a while would be nice. We like our old posts, Lets keep it that way!

Right.

To all those who are complaining, i have noticed most of you play(ed) Quidditch for your house team. So if you are struggling to cope with delivering 10 measly lines on here how on earth are you managing to play Quidditch?

Rules are rules, you either like it or lump it, and if you don't want to like it, go else where, there are tons of RPG forums for HP out there, but be warned, many of them have tougher rules, you lot have it easy on HE with only a few rules to follow, jeez it ain't like Elfie is asking you all to drop to you hands and knees and kiss her feet twenty times a day.

Shadow you said it took you 20 minutes to write your post up there, you never complained to Elfie about how long it took you to write out your Quidditch Posts, so why start complaining now?

And to the rest of you, your complaints in here exceed 10 lines, well done you proved you can do it.

Stop complaining and stop breaking site rules!

You know what to do if your un-happy.

*is persuading Elfie to let me Mod this place*

I would just like to say first things first... Gemma I love you and your speech, it was beautiful XD

Now next I'll agree with Elana about the whole 10 line thing probably being a bit much to jump to from one lines, because I know when I first started making my own transition from one liners to paragraphs it wasn't each. And five lines would be a nice alternative I do believe to start out with, so props for Jenn and Elana to pointing that out.

And now this isn't meant to offend anyone else here, but I've talked with a few other members about this that are older members who have been here for a longer time, like when the site first started and we all agree that posts in this forum as well as the games forum shouldn't be counted toward the overall post count. Firstly, because it's just rping and games, and while games can be a fun way to meet people (trust me I know), they aren't contributing to the site in any real way. I know they're fun and they should definitely be here because they are a great way to break the ice, but the site isn't about rping or games, there are plenty of other sites for that kinda stuff out there, if you want the post count for roleplaying and games go off there, but some people have actually worked hard to earn their post count, there are people who've been here from the start that don't manage to get as many posts as the roleplay group, but they're fine with that because of the fact that they know that their posts actually mean something. But it's hard to be proud of your post count when there are other people going around who didn't earn it. And no I'm not just talking for myself here, though I know that some people will think that I am, but I've been a part of this site for two years now, and I've also been roleplaying that entire time. However, my roleplaying posts and my HE posts are two very different things and deserve to be treated as such.

There, all done with my own personal rant XD But I'm taking the side that games and rp post counts SHOULD definitely be disabled to give everyone a chance to have their posts mean something.

Thank you for reading XD

I agree with you Amber on the post counts.

In my eyes you will always remain a noob until you have been an active member on the site for 12 months. No matter how many levels you climbed within the space of 3 days.

I hope we'll be able to disable the post counts for certain forums soon.

Oh Amber, would you let us delete your post count and make you start all over from scratch without getting posts from RP and Games forum?