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Alright, this theory is a bit out of this world, but bare with me.
I have extended the theory posted in the PS forum of lily dying here at Hogwarts Experience, though I believe this one is best posted here!
(I found this theory on the snitch.co.uk)

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We have had discussions and theories about Harry being a horcrux - well what if he is - though not through Voldemort's soul or doing, but through his mothers - through Lily Potter!

Alright - here it is - now bare with me!

I think Lily Potter made a horcrux out of Harry that night at Godric’s Hollow. Let’s take a closer look at the possibility.

Facts:
- You must commit murder to create a horcrux. Technically, Lily killed herself. She didn’t have to die. It is stated over and over again throughout the series. She sacrificed herself.

- Lily was very clever and she had a wand that was very good for charms. The act of making a horcrux is considered a charm.

- Lily was Slughorn’s favourite student. Slughorn was the one who told Voldemort about horcruxes.

Speculation:
- We know why Voldemort didn’t die that night in Godric’s Hollow, but why didn’t Harry. I suspect that the reason is slightly different, but essentially the same. We have always been led to believe that the mere act of Lily throwing herself in front of Harry resulted in Harry’s safety. In actuality, it was her sacrifice.

I think that Lily sacrificed her soul, or part of it, which is why the curse bounced off of Harry rather than killing him. Lily made Harry into a living horcrux. She poured a piece of her soul into her son when she died. Even though Voldemort performed the killing curse, Lily killed herself by stepping in front of Harry. She knew she was going to die. That’s why she did it. For Harry to live, she needed to die. She knew the only way to save Harry was to kill herself and give him part of her soul.

Until Harry, nobody has survived the killing curse. Why not? Surely, at some point, somebody has attempted to throw their body in front of a loved one to save them from the killing curse- “Take a bullet”, so to speak, for another. If we believed that someone has tried this with different results, then we must conclude that being a horcrux is what saved Harry. The protection that Harry has in his veins is Lily’s soul. Her love. Her sacrifice. Voldemort didn’t understand the concept and recognize it for what it was, because he views the act of creating a horcrux as a means of self-preservation. He doesn’t understand sacrifice, because he doesn’t understand love. Old magic at it’s best.

- Harry’s eyes are the big clue. The fact that he has his mother’s eyes has been stated repeatedly throughout the series. There has to be a reason for this. It’s not random filler. I believe that he has Lily’s eyes, because he has Lily’s soul in addition to his own. After all, eyes are the windows to the soul.

- Dementors feed off souls. Harry is affected by the dementors more than the average person. Is it because of the horrors he has faced in the past or is it because he has an extra bit of soul in him? Well, you know what I think.

- The final clue is Horace Slughorn. I suspect that old Sluggy shared info on horcruxes with not only Voldemort, but Lily as well. Maybe she asked, maybe he told her with no prompt. I’m not sure, but we do know that Slughorn is on the run and has been since Voldemort returned. Why? I suspect that Slughorn knows that Lily made Harry into a horcrux and also suspect that he fears Voldemort will figure this out. If Voldemort or his followers knew that Slughorn gave Lily the info that led to the Dark Lord’s thirteen year exile, they probably wouldn’t be too happy.

So there you have it! What do you think?
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I'm sceptical on this - I don't think it is possible.

Horcruxes are stressed throughout HBP as being entirely evil, and even if Lily possessed the abilities to create one, I don't think, even accidentally, she would have possessed the evilness required.

And also - look how hesitant Slughorn was to tell Harry that he told Voldemort about the Horcruxes. After he'd told Voldemort (probably a good twenty years or so before he would have taught Lily), he knew he'd made a mistake - so why would he repeat this with another student?

No, I don't believe this theory at all. I think Harry survived because of Lily's love, but not that she made him a horcrux.
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I think that this is an interesting theory and one I have come across before, though I am not entirely sure as to whether I believe it yet or not.

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- You must commit murder to create a horcrux. Technically, Lily killed herself. She didn’t have to die. It is stated over and over again throughout the series. She sacrificed herself.
Yes she did sacrifice herself, but would this really fall into the realms of murder?

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- Lily was very clever and she had a wand that was very good for charms. The act of making a horcrux is considered a charm.
Is it a charm though? Also, creating a horcrux is extreme dark magic - Lily was pure!

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- Lily was Slughorn’s favourite student. Slughorn was the one who told Voldemort about horcruxes.
But Slughorn didnt even want to tell Tom Riddle! And why would lily and slughorn ever have found themselves with this conversation

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- We know why Voldemort didn’t die that night in Godric’s Hollow, but why didn’t Harry. I suspect that the reason is slightly different, but essentially the same. We have always been led to believe that the mere act of Lily throwing herself in front of Harry resulted in Harry’s safety. In actuality, it was her sacrifice.

I think that Lily sacrificed her soul, or part of it, which is why the curse bounced off of Harry rather than killing him. Lily made Harry into a living horcrux. She poured a piece of her soul into her son when she died. Even though Voldemort performed the killing curse, Lily killed herself by stepping in front of Harry. She knew she was going to die. That’s why she did it. For Harry to live, she needed to die. She knew the only way to save Harry was to kill herself and give him part of her soul.
Now this is the part I find interesting, although I am stuck on that sacrifice isnt murder bit.

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Harry’s eyes are the big clue. The fact that he has his mother’s eyes has been stated repeatedly throughout the series. There has to be a reason for this. It’s not random filler. I believe that he has Lily’s eyes, because he has Lily’s soul in addition to his own. After all, eyes are the windows to the soul.
Yes, I think there is a reason, and this could very well be it! It is true that lilys eyes are harrys eyes and it has been mentioned throughout and i think this is the best theory about that fact i have come across

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Dementors feed off souls. Harry is affected by the dementors more than the average person. Is it because of the horrors he has faced in the past or is it because he has an extra bit of soul in him?
Again, interesting...though im not too sure about this part.
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Duck the Duck wrote:
I'm sceptical on this - I don't think it is possible.

Horcruxes are stressed throughout HBP as being entirely evil, and even if Lily possessed the abilities to create one, I don't think, even accidentally, she would have possessed the evilness required.

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thats what i think as well. Lily is to pure and good to be a horcrux, and anyway she is dead, so that would have meant a horcrux would have gone too but dumbledore keeps saying that he has some and so many are left. if lily had have been one, dumbledore would have known
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Duck the Duck wrote:

Horcruxes are stressed throughout HBP as being entirely evil, and even if Lily possessed the abilities to create one, I don't think, even accidentally, she would have possessed the evilness required.

Thats exactly what I think. I couldnt have said it better myself lol.

It is an interesting theory though, but like the mcgonagall being a trator theory, its interesting but also too far out to be possible.
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I really don't get it. Wouldn't Lily be alive if Harry was a horcrux? It just doesn't make since to me.
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i think its possible. Lily isnt evil but maybe thers more then one way to make one. Maybe slughorn let it sliped and lily did some reshearch on it. i truly dont fully understand how a horcrux works so i might not be the best person to ask my opinion on this.
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