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PostSubject: Harry potter evil?   Harry potter evil? EmptySat Aug 19 2006, 08:30

:shock: this is silly! I have heard about it but not read it! how can harry potter be evil?
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PostSubject: Re: Harry potter evil?   Harry potter evil? EmptySun Aug 27 2006, 15:34

This is a belief for people who are extremely religious. Harry Potter is a book who talk a lot about wizardry being a good thing, but in the Bible, witchcraft is not really seen as something good.
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PostSubject: Re: Harry potter evil?   Harry potter evil? EmptyThu Sep 07 2006, 08:43

It is rubbish! I mean it is a childrens book. what are people gonna say next? my little pony and the tweenies are evil? (we already know teletubbies are!) :microwave:
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I agree, i mean how can harry potter be evil? it is harmless
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PostSubject: Re: Harry potter evil?   Harry potter evil? EmptySat Sep 16 2006, 08:37

exactly. what in slytherins name is the world coming to?
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PostSubject: Re: Harry potter evil?   Harry potter evil? EmptySat Sep 16 2006, 15:25

Its those EXTREME, deeply religious people that don't like it... Pope John Paul II (*tear*) said that the books were fine, and had a good message- good always triumphs over evil.

But its what the other people believe.... I don't agree, but I'll leave those people alone.
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PostSubject: Re: Harry potter evil?   Harry potter evil? EmptySat Sep 16 2006, 20:27

HP is banned from my school!

we tried debating over it in PSTA (Parent,Student,Teacher, Association) but the students lost. It stinks!
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PostSubject: Re: Harry potter evil?   Harry potter evil? EmptyThu Sep 28 2006, 14:03

banned? are your teachers like umbridge? lol

I think the whole concept is silly. The people who are claiming it is evil probably havent even read it
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I know!!

What happened to wanting us to like what we read? It's so stupid!

Maybe my teachers are all Umbridges in disguise!!!

*shudders* That would be scary!!
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very scary! *shudders* I just cant believe what the world is coming to. I mean its a childrens book!
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Harry Potter is NOT evil! I'm in a book club for after school and we've debated this. If you look at it from their view. They are only looking into what the Bible says. Those who are witches shall be punished (something like that) so its really a religious matter.

But, why is that HP is the only target? There are other sereies and books like it. Buffy, Charmed...so why only HP? It makes no sense!

I think the whole thing is just stupid! I wish they could just see why we like Harry Potter so much!
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I may have a biased viewpoint on this, but to me Harry Potter is about as far from evil as it is possible to get! It is simply a series about one boy trying to complete his school career whilst being haunted by the memories - and occasionally predictions - of an evil entity that is "fated" to come and get him.

I have been studying Wicca and (good) Witchcraft for about three years, and I am certain that magic does exist. It is the personal power that resides in everyone, and to access it you only have to know that it is there. I think Uri Geller is a case in point here - he can bend spoons etc. without touching them, because he has tapped into his personal power. Another thing - magic isn't evil. It is, "neither positive or negative. Like a hammer, it can be used to build or destroy" (I think that was from either Kate West or Ravenwolf). So, magic only works in the way the user intends it to, whether the intent is for good or evil, and is shaped and coloured by the person. Therefore, it is also neither "white" or "black".

I could go on for years on this topic, but at the risk of being chased by people carring burning stakes, I'll run away very quickly at this point, and close by saying - Harry Potter is a children's book, for mercy's sake! What could ever be so bad about it?

Sources: Well, the bit about Uri Geller was sort of lifted and edited from Raymond Buckland's "Complete Book of Witchcraft".

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PostSubject: Re: Harry potter evil?   Harry potter evil? EmptySat Nov 11 2006, 17:08

I have found this artical online which I think may be relevant here:

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The "Harry Potter" books are not just novels. They are modern fairy tales with predominant spiritual themes. They describe the struggle between good and evil and the ultimate triumph of the good through the courage and ingenuity of the human spirit, and the power of human love.

The survival of the infant Harry against the onslaught of the evil Lord Voldemort that cost the lives of his parents, is repeatedly attributed to the power of his mother's love and her willingness to sacrifice her very life on the altar of this love.

In each of the stories, Harry and his friends triumph over the evil Lord Voldemort through the spiritual power of goodness implanted in Harry, the strength of the powerful bond of friendship between Harry and the faithful Ron, the ingenuity and the problem-solving ability of the studious Hermione, and the courage of all of them combined.

The genius of the author J.K. Rowling lies in her ability to bring such heavy themes down to earth in a way that manages to fascinate children and adults alike.

The theme that particularly grabbed my interest is the struggle of good and evil, which perhaps captures our culture's prevailing attitude.

What struck me first is that the struggle between good and evil is not to be found in the world of Muggles. In the Muggle world, the evil of Voldemort metamorphoses into the stupidity, venality and meanness of Harry's relatives, the Dursleys. These are traits that even the courage and ingenuity of Harry Potter cannot overcome; the only method of dealing with them is escape.

People in the Muggle world -- the real world vs. the magic world -- are either interesting or banal. Those that are banal are narrow and selfish, and there is no way to redeem them. They cannot change or be changed. Those that are interesting are very likely to receive an invitation to attend Hogwarts. Those that are not, can only be handled by keeping one's distance. In the world of the Muggles, everything is destined to remain a muddle.

Thus, the Dursleys remain static. Their connection with Harry -- although they demonstrate an act of great kindness in providing a home for an orphan -- leaves them uninspired. Only their negative traits intensify from book to book. Before our eyes, cousin Dudley grows into a selfish, self-centered, narrow-minded monster with the full encouragement of his parents.

But the Dursleys are presented as banal, not evil.

The good is purely good and the evil is purely evil. There is no area of ambiguity or confusion. While the good struggles with the evil, the combatants are not free to choose sides. They are frozen into their camps by their characters.

Although Dumbledore tells Harry that it is a person's choices that tell us who he really is, Harry's selection of Gryffindor can hardly be called a choice. He was never attracted to Slytherin. Indeed, the fact that the sorting hat detected some Slytherin tendencies in him is a source of anxiety for Harry. Harry has some powers that are normally associated with Slytherins, such as parseltongue, but he does not possess a single negative character trait indicative of the Malfoys, or even Tom Riddle, his supposed counterpart.

This lack of ability to alter one's character and to freely choose sides transforms the epic moral struggle between good and evil into a pure power struggle with no moral implications. Victory hangs on who can come up with stronger magic. The war between good and evil is not a struggle over the hearts and minds of humanity. Each side vies for hegemony over the outside world, nothing more.

Moreover, there is no attempt at redeeming the evil or transforming it. The good is merely maintaining the status quo, and keeping the evil, in the guise of Lord Voldemort, from gaining a foothold. The evil wants to dominate just because it is evil and hates the good and vice versa. They are not contending for some prize either tangible or spiritual that would accrue to the victor. Their only goal is to destroy each other.

There is no evidence of free will, and therefore no moral responsibility. The entire struggle is a glorified Quidditch game; it's all great fun as long as your team wins.

The full artical can be found here: http://www.aish.com/societywork/arts/Harry_Potter_and_the_War_Between_Good_and_Evil.asp
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PostSubject: Re: Harry potter evil?   Harry potter evil? EmptySat Nov 11 2006, 20:51

well, it's really ultra-religious people i think. But also it's kids whose parents want them to be geniuses and who own't accept them for who they are. Like they don't want them to beleive or have imagination because then they might "get ideas" or something. Well, that's what I think.
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Its so stupid that parents stop their children reading harry potter! I bet they dont actually know what is in them - they should try reading them themselves then they would see that they are not evil
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PostSubject: Re: Harry potter evil?   Harry potter evil? EmptyTue Nov 28 2006, 17:56

yes, so narrow minded. But there really is nothing you can do about it. THey wont listen. They want whats "best" for their kids so they'll be stubborn
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When in the 5th book Harry hears Voldy is like posseising him, he thinks he is evil. But no he isn't evil! He is the good guy!
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This thread is talking more on whether the whole book concept is found evil to people. Many people, mostly strongly religious people, believe that HP is 'evil' and so therefore won't read it or allow their children to read it.
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Well, as with anything in the world, people like criticizing what is famous. But hey as long as it doesnt bother us we are good. Magic does exis, and that in dispute amoungst religon if allowed to be use. However for the book sake, who cares. Does not make any different at all.
But, allow me to introduce one point that a very prominent man told me after book 6. He told me, though the book is excellent he is now very much eager for book 7. Whether one realize it or not, what the book 6 just told us, that giving someone a second chance will only lead to a back stabbing event(in case of snape). it is a very much dreadful thought, cuz giving someone second chances are important and may send out wrong message. however, one can not judge so until book 7 coms out and we shall see was that second chance correct.
interesting thought no?
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when i saw that title it made me laugh how on earth could harry potter be evil silly people *bites them for there stupidity*
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harry potter couldnt be evil even if he tryed he has to much good inside him
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A lot of people who are against anything magical- usually in organized religions- find something to complain about. It's the view of witchcraft being taboo and 'evil'.

Close-minded people simply want to stir up trouble to make themselves feel better.
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PostSubject: Re: Harry potter evil?   Harry potter evil? EmptySun Aug 15 2010, 22:39

*laughs a lot* I could never see him as being evil. I mean look at everything he does in every book. That's enough to say that he's not evil.

But yea as for the religious people.. well overly religious people I think they're going to far by saying the HP books are evil and no one should touch them let alone look at them or it'll taint you!!! or whatever they all say lol
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