Hagrid and his pink umbrella

In this first book we find out that Hagrid uses magic through his umbrella which holds his broken wand from when he was suspended. Two things struck me with this:

1. Dont the ministry know who uses magic? (Harry was immediately found out)
and
2. Once a wand is broke or someone is suspended from a wizards school, does that mean they are never re-enstated to be allowed to use magic? I mean, we learn in the later books that Hagrid was innercent of the crime he was suspended for, so how come they havent let him have another wand?

Well dude, I'm thinkin that Hagrid may be more crafty than we give him credit for. Also maybe since that is so insignificient, maybe the ministry only goes after powerful wizard??

And about him not having a wand again well maybe the ministry has certain hidden rules for half giant persons?? It could also be that maybe he has a certain way in which he hides his magic. This is a couple of good questions though, Snape. And you got me wonderin now heh :D
So, another thing is that maybe Dumbeldore is using a spell or charm to hide Hagrid's magic use from the Ministry. You know Dumbledore is really powerful.

Now I have to wonder...Isn't Dumbledore more powerful than anyone in the Ministry??
:| :scratch: It makes you wonder huh?

Jesse

"I thought they could detect under-age magic!"
"You are quite right - they can detect magic, but not the perpetrator"


"So if you're underage and you do magic inside an adult witch or wizard's house, the Ministry won't know?"
"They will certainly be unable to tell who performed the magic...They rely on witch and wizard parents to enforce their offspring's obedience while within their walls."

HBP, chapter 17, page 344 and 345 in my book. and no, not the swedish one.

1. See, the ministry can't tell who performed the magic, and maybe it's the same with Hagrid as with an underage wizard/witch. At hogwarts, there is so much underage magic performed (though, it is allowed) that i don't think the ministry even bothers. Harry was accused of using magic because there was no other wizard or witch in the house who could have performed it.


2. They can't prove his innocence, can they?

well if his wand was broken then he mistry would just like cross him of as unable to do magic and if a spell was cast where he was then they wouldent suspect him.

Another thought - what about wandless magic? couldnt Hagrid, or any other wizard for that matter, who had their wand broken, learn wandless magic? After all, it is the magic within them that makes them witches/wizards isnt it?

Wandless Magic is definitely a possibility and I didn't really think about that before. But it's a good thing to think about. Or here's another thought to add to yours, Snape. Okay, let's say that Hagrid does know wandless magic, is it possible that him being half giant could have anything to do with that? Like how much do we really know about Hagrid's heritage? Maybe I'm straying off a bit but wouldn't his heritage have a direct reflection on how he can use the different forms of magic? Just some thoughts.

Hagrid's Heritage? I really didn't think about that.

Snape made a good comment on wandless magic. I never really thought much about that.

I think that the ministry can detect when magic is used but since Hagrid always hangs out with wizards then it's not always known. Other times he might be allowed on Dumbledore's behalf...

Wandless magic can be done but probably just to a slight extent or why else would ANYBODY use wands once they get older? when they wouldn't need to. If that was the case it wouldn't have mattered in the third book when remus gave the trio his wand if he could just do wandless magic.

And Hagrid was still not really proven to be innocent because nobody but Dumbledore knew that the heir was Tom Riddle.

man i feel like I was debating...

Yes,Hagrid was proven innocent, Jenn. If you remember they let Hagrid out of Azkaban cuz he was Innocent at the end of CoS. And he wouldn't have been let out if he were guilty.

Very very true.

Yeah, I think that they can't tell who does the magic, because look at the confusion with Harry and Dobby. I think that certain areas where there are underage wizards and it's quite certain that ONLY under age wizards live there send up little red flags when magic is used.

I mean, the Weasley twins use magic all summer before they come of age on their Wizarding Wheezes-but at least 2 or 3 wizards of age are in the house then why would it matter?

And Diagon Alley, that too is probably a place no one cares about using magic...

I think I'm off topic again. But to what Jesse said,

Yeah, I wonder if giant's have a special type of magic. And I wonder if Hagrid will use it in the final battle...hmm.

Yup, cuz if giants have special power then Hagrid could be stronger in magic than what was originally thought.

Ginny I do think you're right about the Diagon Alley comment. It would explain why all the kids using magic there never got in trouble with the Ministry.

Of course I'm right *mumbles*

Maybe his giant power is that he doesn't need a complete wand to use magic? I mean, we don't know many expelled students, but I don't think a lot of them have done something like that.

I mean, the magic is broken because the wand is, but he does manage to do quite a few things...

I don't know thats a good point though, i really wonder if they do know about it sometimes but maybe Dumbledore is protecting Hargid? Or he was?

I don't think so, it must be very hard to shield someone's magic. And Dumbledore was very powerful, but I'm still not sure.

I think it's just a "magic tracker" in the literal sense. It tracks magic-not the user.

ture and with Hargid so closr to hogwarts all the time, how whould they even know it was him?

Exactly my point. They'd just shrug it off as some "stupid first year".

extactly, they should get a better system

It might be hard to do that though. Because if you use magic in a place where there already is a lot of magic-who cares if you're underage or not? I mean, what you do isn't going to be very terribly dangerous. And there will most likely be wizards there who can bail you out if you mess up.

Hagris is not an under age wizard, this is why they didn't track him doing magic. I think the only one who knows Hagrid is really innocent is Dumbledore and the ministry wouldn't believe Dumbledore if he told them Hagrid was not the one who opened the Chamber of Secrets.
A broken wand will work. Just not that great. Ron's worked in Chamber of secrets, just not well. Maybe the ministry snapped his wand in half and Dumbledore saved part of it and gave it back to Hagrid.

I think that is probably it snapes girl.
I was wondering, though, whether there would be a way of tracking over age spells?

Maybe Hagrid's doesnt count because the wand was in two peices so it didn't show up, but I do like the theory about DUmbledore putting a spell over it

i think it was in the first book that i read that i think it was the wand maker (cant spell his name) said to hagrid about his wand being snaped in two and how he hoped that he still didnt use the pieces b/c they gave the pieces back to him and when he said that hagrid tighten his grip on his umbrella...... so maybe he fixed his wand and hide it in his umbrella so no one knew but dumbledor b/c hagrid told harry when he went to get him befor school that he was alllowed to use a little magic to get him back so dumbledor must have known about it.

i think he doesn't get caught for 2 reasons
1, he's part giant. i think something about that lets him get away with magic undetected
2, the ministry has other things to do like capture voldemort and keep the ministry afloat so a harmless half-breed doesnt worry them.
his umbrella is a wand in disguise. well thats all i have to say

Well, we know that they can only dtect magic and they don't know who casted it. I think we learned this in book 5 or 6. Anywho, since he lives at Hogwarts his magic would be undtetcted because there is so much magic they wouldn't notice that a small portion of it was coming from Hagrid.

I think that they detect magic and if it comes from a place they know that has underage wizards they act. so I think thats a yes... XD

Ilyria wrote:

I was wondering, though, whether there would be a way of tracking over age spells?

As we found out in the seventh one, they say you can't track over age spells...not sure when you posted this though so we might not have known then!

Well Hagrid wouldn't be in trouble for using overage spells anyway because i don't think there's such thing, he would be in trouble for using magic illegally