Snapes comment in first class of death

Quote :

put a stopper on death

I never really thought about this until I (finally) reached the last book and saw poor dumbledore die. Now I know JK has specified that you can not be brought back from the dead, but I am wondering whether Snape meant a potion he could brew to help stop death - not necessarily dumbledores but perhaps harrys in the last book?

Does anyone else think that this quote could mean something or am i simply barking up the wrong tree?

Well it's possible that "Put a stopper in death" is more than just a saying. Remember that Snape is really smart and it could be possible that he has created a potion to drink just before someone is to die. What if he actually made it and gave it to Dumbledore? Maybe it required 6 years or something that had to be taken in doses over the course of 6 years?? Maybe I'm going a little off here but that phrase does raise some interesting speculations.

That's an interesting and valid observation! I've never taken time to consider that turn of phrase before...I always assumed it meant a bottle stopper, that Snape can bottle death and put a stopper in it.

But then when was JKR one for simplicity? It's very possible and quite probable that it has a double meaning...we'll just have to wait and see what happens in book 7!

Fated4HP wrote:

Remember that Snape is really smart and it could be possible that he has created a potion to drink just before someone is to die. What if he actually made it and gave it to Dumbledore?

Well that is what I was thinking, though JK does mention that Dumbledore is actually dead and the dead can't return (at least I think she did) - perhaps it could be used to save Harry?

Yeah it's possible that you're right on that Snape though it could have more meaning to it.
I'm not really sure what to say on this cuz I can't find the words right now..but I know what I want to say it's just forming it into words. ~Sighs~ :D
Jesse

I think you are right Snape. It sounds right...but is it?

Okay NOW I remember how I was going to word it. Maybe Dumbledore and Snape planned this all out from the beginning and maybe they actually had key signals along the way. It's very possible that Snape created that 'stopper in death' potion along the way and maybe THAT is why-in book 4- He was soooooo mad about Harry and the Polyjuice potion becuz if snape was working on that potion during that time(it may take a long time to make with a potion like that being so strong) Then that would explain why Snape was so mad about Harry and his friends stealing ingredients. Maybe some of those ingredients were specifically gotten for that particular potion. Maybe they were specially cured or prepared specifically for the 'stopper in death' potion. :scratch:

It makes sense to me, and if that is the case then book 4 would be forshadowing(is that the right word here to use? ) for the 6th book. Does anyone agree with this or am I Just over analyzing? I tend to do that a lot. :lol!:

Jesse

Quote :

Maybe Dumbledore and Snape planned this all out from the beginning and maybe they actually had key signals along the way. It's very possible that Snape created that 'stopper in death' potion

That is interesting thought and it leaves hope that dumbledore is still alive. I think it was planned between snape and dumbledore but doesnt JK rowling say that dumbledore IS dead somewhere - i amy be wrong!

Quote :

Then that would explain why Snape was so mad about Harry and his friends stealing ingredients. Maybe some of those ingredients were specifically gotten for that particular potion. Maybe they were specially cured or prepared specifically for the 'stopper in death' potion. :scratch:

ooh interesting again - this could explain his reaction - but then again he does hate harry so he is always angry at him anyway

Quote :

It makes sense to me, and if that is the case then book 4 would be forshadowing(is that the right word here to use? ) for the 6th book. Does anyone agree with this or am I Just over analyzing? I tend to do that a lot. :lol!:

I agree i think - you have brought up some interesting points and im going to go think on this some more

Jesse, I admire all the interesting points you brought up. You must have been thinking about this before lol.

I think the stopper in death, could be something we will find out in the 7th book. But what I don't understand is why Snape would verbally announce that to the whole class.
I wonder if he was trying to send a signal or maybe he was just bragging?
If there is a spell or potion that strong and of great importance; wouldn't Snape have to worry about that information falling into the wrong hands? But then again, we really don't know whose side Snape is on.

I think that Snape abnounced it to the whole class because maybe that what he just started to work on and it was on his mind. The other students woiuld just assume how duck and i did that he meabnt you could bottle up death and put a stopper on it..

There may be more than one meaning for that phrase though Book 7 may reveal something obvious that we may have overlook heh.

Well, something like the "stopper in death" potion could be "The Draught of the Living Death", I suppose.

But I don't think that Dumbledore will ever come back through the means of something like that (although I did have him do something like that in my fic lol), because it's important to the plot that Dumbledore be dead. It sort of gives Harry to jump to go get the horcruxes.

But, although Snape is definitely good, and will save the day in the end, do you think this "stopper in death" business could've been something he once helped Voldemort with? He said he had tried many many things, so, is it possible a potion brewed by Snape could be one of them?

Hmm..you bring up and interesting thought Ginny..

IF Snape was truly devoted to Voldemort at one time in the past, is it possible that he helped Voldemort stay alive all this time??

This is just assuming he really IS on the Dark Lord's side.
Maybe Snape was able to aid Voldemort-even in a small way- it would explain why Voldemort is still around ?

Interesting i never thought of that, but im not convinced. I read somewhere, i can't remember where, that JKR said neither Sirius or Dumbledore is coming back. So i really dont think it possible, but if it happens i stand corrected otherwise, im not convinced.......

Well, he could've been loyal to him at one time, but then defected to Dumbledore's side. I mean Dumbledore does have that awesome beard.

I think he perhaps brewed a potion to stopper Voldemort's death when the time comes, which Voldemort took. But then he found about the prophecy and yadda yadda he joins the guy with the awesome beard's side.:D

Hmm... I think the Voldermort thing is very possible, but the dumbledore thing? No, notta Snape really killed dumbledore. He showed his true colors and joined Voldermort forevermore :D that would be my view on the matter right there

*hides Amber from Elfie*

Speak not of the evilness of Snape Amber! lol

*hide with my Charmed CHica*

But i thought you were suppost to say what you think? And Elfie loves me :D

.....Yeah but she also loves Snape...

Oh well *un-hides Amber*

Anyways...weren't we talking about stoppering death lol...

Yes and how Snape could have used a potion to stop/fake someones death

bottom line, thinking about it again, I don't think he made a potion to fake/stop neither Dumbledore Or Voldies death(s)

I don't think he did it for Dumbledore, but definite possibility for Voldemort.

It could be why Voldy trusted him for so very long.

true but i don't think voldie is that stupid, he would have known somethings up, if snape really was good, I mean sure hes evil but he's not dumb........

But we must remember that Snape is a master of legilimency and occlumency. Dumbledore put him in charge of training Harry in that art, so he must be very very good at it. Perhaps so could he could even fool the Dark Lord?

I think the "put a stopper in death" comment was just about the Sorcerer's/Philosopher's Stone. not about killing anyone.

A few ideas I think are feasable

Quote :

I can teach you how to bottle fame, brew glory, even stopper death --

Putting a 'stopper in death' doesn't have to mean literally 'stopping' death, it can also refer to closing a bottle with a cork or simillar. Also, lets look at the closing of the bottle. It could reference to the closing of a deal - HBP reference where Snape closed the deal of the unbreakable promise (and yes, killed Dumbledroe). Yes, it could also mean that Dumbledore is not in fact dead, or at least dead like we think. Snape could have 'put a stopper in death' in some way with Dumbledore, though I do not think that Dum,bledore is alive as we know it!

What about Dumbledore's bad hand in HBP? Perhaps that was fatal - I believe it was Hermione who said about it looking dead. Perhaps Snape was able to put a stopper on death there - not bring his hand back but stop in in its tracks - stop it from completely dying and killing dumbledore through spreading.

Let's not forget that JKR likes to play with words. I would not be surprised if JKR was sending us more than one message with the "stopper in death" phrase...

Also, look at the actual wording. It is not - put a stopper in death - it is 'stopper death'. This slight difference may change some peoples ideas?

Hmm.... those are some very very good possibilities Rose! I like the Snape stoppering the death in his hand....very good.

I think the quote means something, otherwise they wouldn't have put it into the book. It may play a huge part in the 7th book and may have played a part in the 6th book that we are not yet aware of.

I think it means the bezoar or something or maybe he gave dumbledore a potion when he came back with his withered hand in the sixth book. Maybe it's just to impress them, idk, this is SNAPE people!

maybe you have to brew a potion up to make the horcurxes and thats how you put a stopper to death hmm dont know would be nice if dumbledore had come back

well when i was thinking of this it made me think of them covering up a death..... maybe the potion is used to fake a death or something... idk

I think by stopper death he meant that it could save youfrom death not reverse it. You can't bring people back after they have already died.