Lily

Quote :

"I killed your father first and he put up a courageous fight ... but your mother needn't have died ... she was trying to protect you ... Now give me the Stone, unless you want her to have died in vain."

Why didnt lily have to die? i mean voldemort is a murderer and as far as i know doesnt have a conscience as to who he kills, so why didnt she have to die?

i he proberly just saying that and well would have killed her after any way if she had handed over harry mabey he was useing it as a guilt trick.

That's what I think too. There is no way Voldemort would have let Lily live, if she had given Harry to him, he'd have killed Harry, and then Lily. He only wanted to get to the child, either way, but he wouldn't have let her survive. He only tried to put Harry on his side and make him feel guilty by saying that his mother could have not died.

I think that voldemort was playing with lilys mind and then later on harrys mind. perhaps dumbledore isnt correct in saying that voldemort knew nothing of the power of love, perhaps he understood to a degree, after all he didnt blame his own mother did he? therefore maybe he was trying to be cautious?

Maybe Voldemort briefly rethought about that time and might have considered trying to use Lily before killing her at that particular moment. He was killing off James because he was a pureblood and with Lily being a muggle he felt that she would be no match for him. However, with her being a muggle he STILL would have killed her after she'd outlived her usefulness. THat's the type of guy Voldemort is.

No way would he EVER get a conscience. IF he ever had one, it died off in his school days-well way before that- Remember he didn't even have any remorse for the basilisk killing Myrtle. He only sounded concerned cuz he didn't want Hogwarts to close.

And Voldemort still continued to kill people all the way up through the 6th book. The dude has no feelings of remorse so I feel it is impossible for him to feel anything but hatred, and the lust for power. And becuz of that he lost whatever heart he had-if he ever had one-
I think that about sums it up.

Jesse

Maybe voldy fancied her lol - im joking - yuk repulsive thought - we will probably see that in the shippers forum soon yuk yuk!

back to the point lol

I agree with what everyone is saying - i think that he didnt mean what he said - i think he was toying with her to help him get to harry.

I think that Voldemort was playing mind games with Lily and Harry. He is known for that.

Or perhaps there's something about Lily that we would find out more in the 7th book? Maybe there was a certain reason for keeping Lily alive..

Jenn may have a point about the 7th book. We really won't know all the facts till the final book.

I think to turn this around (this may be incredibly stupid), but why did James have to die? I mean, maybe he would've killed him anyway, but if he was really trying to guilt trip Harry why didn't he say that both of them died because of him?

Some part of me thinks that James knew something, and Voldemort was going to try and kill him because of that. Perhaps James had some sort of unknown power that he thought Harry had possessed...

I dunno, I'm probably very wrong, and I await your insults...

Ginny, that is actual a logical way to think, a very interesting idea indeed. And no one will be insulting or else I shall Crucio them! Mwahahaha!

But you raise some interesting points. Maybe if James possessed a secret power, it would scare Voldemort enough to HAVE to kill him in order to succeed with his evil plans.
James might have been able to defeat him and Voldemort knew it which is why I'm thinking that there was something really important about James.

I think whatever way it could have played out we would have ended up with at least 2 Potters dead. Really, Voldermort would have killed Lily right after making her watch him kill her only son or only child for that matter........maybe it has nothing to do with JUST Lily or JUST James, It most likely has everything to do with BOTH Lily AND James.

Ooh I have Death Eater protection... yay :D

But about Lily, we know that one of James' "special powers" was to be an animagus. After all, his wand was good for transfiguration.

BUT!!!

Lily's wand was good for charmwork, what would she do? Could Voldemort might have actually needed Lily for something? Some sort of charm? Of course as soon as he was done with her he'd kill her (and Harry if he hadn't already).

And besides, if she wasn't willing, the Imperius curse works wonders.

ummm.......did anyone see my post? Ya know the one that says its not just about Lily OR James, but its about Lily AND James? Possibly its because of who they BOTH were and when they got together it was alot of power. Alright i'm currently going to cahnge a view from my last post maybe Voldermort was going to offer Lily that same offer he made Harry? I'lll bring them back to life if you join me? that makes sense with all the potter power on Voldermorts side who knows what more he could have accomplished?

Yes Amber I read your post but I'm just offering the other side of the topic.

And, yes that could've been Voldy's way of "negotiating" with her. Of course Lily said no hehe.

True, that she would have refused and died then it would all be over and Voldermort woulde be ruling forever..........thats a scary thought......

DUN DUN DUN DN O.O

Oh well we won't think about that. :D

Nope, because we all know that eventually Voldie will die! and i'll cheer!! *gets confetti ready for that day*

Well yes Voldy will die...and HARRY WILL LIVE WITH GINNY AND THEY'LL LIVE HAPPILY EVER AFTER WITH THEIR 14 KIDS!!

:D Oh and Hermione will go off with Draco or something since Ron's gonna be dead...hehe

Ginny dead i told you, either Harry's gonna die if Ginny lives or Ginny is going to die if Harry lives, Im sorry.

Then Ron will die and If Harry lives then Harry and Hermione will get together.....

and if Harry dies Hermione will be alone cause Ron died and Draco and Ginny will get together :D

So much wrong with all of this...

JK has been building up Ginny for Harry. She's worthy of him, she can handle him. It's why it works.

Hermione bosses Harry around, and Harry finally gets angry with her after dealing with it and she backs away or cries. No, not good for a relationship is it/

Have you seen how Ron treats hermione? Like dirt! and you say my logic is wrong...but this is about Neville....

Btw.....who is neville going to be with? *is cruious*

Neville should end up with Luna :D haha that's be a great relationship.

JK sunk Neville Luna, on her website. You can go look if you want

Please try and keep on-topic.

This is a topic for discussions relating to Lily.

Thanks

She did? Awww...anyways, back to Lily.

So we agree there was some point in her dying? Perhaps some inner power she possessed, perhaps not. But either way Voldemort killed her for some purpose.

personally i think that it was mearly taunting. Voldemort is evil, and would have loved to taunt lily in her worst hour

or perhaps it could be that Snaypoo asked Voldielocks to spare her because he luuuvvvverrrrd her. Thats what i think anyway, Lily was too good to join Voldielocks and the only reason i can think of is because SNape is Voldies fravorite (according to Draco) and i'm pretty sure Voldie can see the HUGE simularities between him and Snape and we all Snape has been loved, although i do still think that was by his mother, i think it is possible for Lily to have loved Snape as a friend, i mean they are two clever kids, both brilliant at Potions and so obviously they would have taken classes together. A friendshiop could have been stuck upon during a lesson, we also know what Sluggy said, Lily was popular and friendly, yup me think the only reason Voldie offered to spare her was because Snape had done him a great job, he had told his master of the prophecy and as a reward Voldie offered Snape anything, he could have asked for Lily top be spared.

Snape was a very faithful servant to Voldemort at that time. I think that he asked Voldemort to spare Lily's life because Snape liked her. Maybe Voldemort had some kind of gripe with Jame's but not with Lily, so maybe he wasn't intending on killing her.

All we know is that Lily had to die so Harry would get his protection, otherwise Harry would have died from the Avada Kedavra curse that night. I wonder if it's possible that Lily maybbe knew she had to die to save Harry and give him protection. I wonder if someone told her about what was going to happen and what she needed to do.

Was snape still a deatheater then or did he go over to dumbledore's side as a spy for the order before lily and james were killed?

I think that he was going to torture her to tell him things about the order and what not, like what he did to Bertha Jorkins.

Cause Lily said no.So he killed her so she wouldnt get it the way.

Yup, I'm going with stephy. Voldemort wouldn't have spared her if Snape hadn't begged him to save her...but then when she didn't move, and he honestly doesn't care if she lives or died, he decided to just kill the whole family and get them all out of the way. So sad.