Draco - Truly Evil or Influenced? - CLOSED

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(Draco is Good just influenced)

Draco Malfoy, the idol of slytherin. A Rich pureblood family, the disliking of Mudbloods, The romantic stuf around Hogwarts. But the dying question thats plagueing everyone.. Is Draco truely evil.. or was he just influenced.

Many would say Evil, just because there emotions want to blame someone for Dumbeldores death, but if Draco was truely evil. Why would he cry in a bathroom to a female ghost? hmm?

( NOOOOOOOOO!!! *cries* For: Draco is evil)

*steps up still crying* *whipes away tears*

Isn't it obvious that Draco Malfoy is evil? Look at the guy, it was and still is clearly his evil nature that makes him do such things.

Did we not see him boast about becoming a death eater in book 6, he was proud to be evil. He was proud to work for the truely evil man we have all heard of, Voldemort.

Draco Malfoy could very well just be the next Voldemort, not because of the way he was brought up because its in his nature.

Just as surley as the Dark Lord himself is evil so is Draco. Both Voldy and Draco are evil, and theres no way around it.

This if he had been brought up in a better home stuff? nonsence! Voldemort wasn't brought up terribly when you look at it and think about it he is the most evil wizard the world has ever known!

Draco Malfoy was willing to take the responcablity, ALL ON HIS OWN, to become a death eater. No matter what people say that isn't a decision someone else could have made for him. It was his own choice and reflects his truely evil nature!

Jess you ask why would he cry to a female ghost, have you ever considered that the ghost was in on this whole deal too? (Oh God I sound like an idiot) How do you know he wasn't crying to her because he didn't get a chance to kill Dumbledore?

(Against: Draco was influenced)

Draco was born in a family that constantly told him things like Muggles were inferior as were mudbloods, and that people like DUmbeldore were nitwits for befriending him. As any child would, he tried his best to make his parents proud of him, and was mean and heartless to muggles and mudbloods.

However you can clearly see that he wishes this wasn't happening. Voldemort forced him on a mission, and if he doesn't complete it he and his family will die. His mission was to kill Dumbeldore. Yet in those final moments -his life and his families was on the line- he listened to Dumbeldore and lowered his wand. It was jsut as Dumbeldore said. Draco was not a murderor.

Not only that, but when times were hard and he was pressed to kill Dumbledore, he fled in a bathroom and cried. He wasn't happy about this mission. I'm pretty sure he hated Voldemort. Any other Death Eater would be happy to do this for Voldemort, but Draco wasn't happy. And not only this, but as he cried in the bathroom, a mudblood ghost came to him and was trying to help. He didn't push her away, because she was a mudblood, he clearly says "No one can help me," The fact that Moaning Myrtle was a mudblood didn't bother him; that kind of thing doesn't matter to him anymore now that he is faced with life and death. With light and dark.

(And I doubt Myrtle would be against Dumbledore, when Voldemort's beast murdered her)

(For: Draco is evil)

Why Merranda makes a few good points I have to disargee.

Yes when your brought up around that kind of stuff its hard to ignore it, when your young! As people get older they can make their own decisions as to what is right and what is wrong and its easy to see where Draco Malfoy stands on the matter.

True Draco didn't kill Dumbledore but there is no doubt at all in my mind that had the other death eaters not come in a minute later Draco would have re raised his wand and killed dumbledore.

Also when Draco said "No one can help me" doesn't nesscary mean what you say it does. What if he was saying no one can help me because he didn't complete what he wanted to. That he wanted to kill dumbledore so much that the fact that he still hadn't managed to kill him was tearing him up.

His evil nature shines through throught the books. I know that this may not be the place or the right people to bring this up with but as it shows on the Charmed eppy "Morality Bites" that one small act of vengence can lead to much more terrible acts.

Draco has been doing evil things from the start those small but undeniable vengeful or smiteful acts lead you down a road of evil that you can't turn back.

So as you can see he has had an evil nature from the very start. XD

(Draco is EVIL)

Wonderful points everyone.

amberg93 wrote:

True Draco didn't kill Dumbledore but there is no doubt at all in my mind that had the other death eaters not come in a minute later Draco would have re raised his wand and killed dumbledore.

I have a little bit to say about this. Draco had agreed to kill Dumbledore, to get the Death Eaters inside of Hogwarts, but I don't think he would have been able to kill him. He didn't have the guts. It's one thing to say all of these things, how he's so proud to be doing something Voldemort wants him to be doing, and an entirely different thing to actually follow through. I think that he really did want to join the Death Eaters, but he wasn't prepared enough emotionally to kill Dumbledore. It must have been expected that someone else, probably Snape from the beginning, would have to kill Dumbledore, that's no shock, but Draco still did everything that lead up to his headmaster's death willingly enough.

(Draco was influenced)

Have you even thought about it from Draco's point of view? He was brought up in a home where his family told him how awful muggles and mudbloods were, and how Dumbledore was a crazy old coot. Now an evil wizard tells him he and his family will be killed if he doesn't kill Dumbledore. He wants to save his family and himself. He doesn't want to die, but at the same time Draco is not evil. He would not have killed Dumbledore. And besides even Dumbledore himself believed in him. Albus was not ling. He was willing to save Draco, to help him.

Draco is a sad soul put in a horrible circumstance. Yes, he is old enough to make his own decisions, but at the same time, all decisions are hard. The cold hard fact is, if he didn't kill Dumbledore, his parents would be killed. It would be his fault. His problem. He would have the blame. His whole life he was always trying to please his parents and make them happy, but now he has their lives in his hands.

Not exactly a black and white situation. And I'm sure when Draco was a boy it was his dream to become a Death Eater and make his father proud, but now after he saw Voldemort, and was forced to do this awful mission, he's realized that being Voldemort's followers isn't all that it was cracked up to be.

Now listen to some of Draco's words to Dumbledore in the Tower.

Quote :

""Someone's dead," said Malfoy, and his voice seemed to go up an octave as he said it. "one of your people... I don't know who,""

He doesn't seem to happy about this death even though the person was on Dumbledore's side.

Quote :

""I haven't got any options!" said Malfoy, and he was suddenly white as Dumbledore. "I've got to do it! He'll kill me! He'll kill my whole family!""

Not exactly a role model Death Eater is he? He is terrified! He is not burning with anger and hatred towards Dumbledore He is afraid. He is frightened. He feels as if he hasn't got another way out. He wants another way out. He really believes there is no other way. Dumbledore sees this too.

Quote :

""My dear boy, let us have no more pretense about that. If you were going to kill me, you would have done it when you first disarmed me, you would not have stopped for this pleasant chat about ways and means.""

Dumbledore isn't stupid. He has been around a while. He knows whats going on, and knows what kind of situation Draco is in. Dumbledore knows that Malfoy is not evil.

Now to put this in another direction to say that Draco was evil to begin with, is quite absurd. When you are young, your parents affected you and made your decisions for you. Yes, Malfoy was a snotty boy, and he was arrogant, but his parents made him that way. Then he grew up. He found out that his father wasn't as powerful as he thought he was and would kiss the bottom of another wizard's robes. He saw that killing was a gruesome thing. And after all that to say that he is evil? No. Evil is killing in cold blood. Evil is loving torture. Draco doesn't mind hurting other's feelings, or being a plain jerk, but the idea of killing someone completly terrifies him, unlike other Death Eaters (like Bellatrix for example)

Draco had qualities that others may not like. He can be arrogant. He has a jealousy problem. He loves being the center of attention. But evil is something that has not yet come to him, or never will.

(Draco is Evil)

Evil, yes. Powerful, soon to be.

Draco was born and destined to be evil. There's a darkness that has brewed within him from the moment he was born.

His family are Death Eaters and so is he. Evil and Powerful, Draco's got it all. He's rich and spoiled a good sign of him destined for corruptive power.

The first book he shows his snooty rudeness and his insatiable appetite for causing trouble. He is a pompous brat but has a powerful, evil father so no one dares to get in the way of the Malfoys.

In every book we see Draco flourishing and growing up more and more.

One of the most clever tricks of the dark side is pretense. Pretending to be what they are not. Deception. Deception is Draco's ally for if there are those that he can fool into believing he has been influenced then that is a way to aid the evil side.

Draco Malfoy is evil. Pure evil. IF Voldemort and Lucius were to die, Draco would be next in line. He's powerful but shows cowardice. He is sneaky and mean and has all the making for being evil.

(Draco Is Evil)

I argee 100% with Jesse. Draco is clearly evil and has, as we saw just in book 6, managed to deceive and trick his way into things very much like Voldemort himself.

Draco was the one who thought of and put the effort into getting those vanishing cabents among many other things. We see him putting his tiem effort and energy into coming up with and doing evil deads.

Would someone who isn't evil really waste their lives trying to commit evil acts? No! They would change their minds and do whats right.

Once more we have all seen Draco's true colors and know which side he has taken.

(Draco is influenced)

He wasn't given much of a choice. If he didn't do the evil deed, then he and his parents would be killed. The stakes are high and he has no where to turn. If he turns to his parents they'll just tell him to kill Dumbledore as Voldemort asked. Who else can he turn to? His dimwitted cronies? And if he ran away Voldemort would kill his parents. If he asked for help from Dumbeldore, Voldemort would read his mind and find out. What is right in this situation? The right choice would have been to agree with Dumbledore and have Albus help him, but that option was taken away too when Snape killed him.

WHat is evil anyway? Someone who loves another's pain? Someone who likes killing others? Cleary Voldemort is evil. He would kill a baby if he thought it would get in his way, but Draco? Sur ehe likes t torment Harry, but he is clearly just jealous. He was brought up to think he was better than everyone, and when Harry and his friends outdoe him, it makes him furious. He couldn't kill Dumbledore, and I'm sure he despises Voldemort now for all that he's done. The guy kills innocent people!

Yes Draco wants power and attention, but I don't think he likes the idea of killing people to do it.

(Draco IS evil)

Merranda you ask what is evil. There are a few deffinations of evil and they all fit draco.

The first being, morally reprehensible. Which we all know Draco is. He acts sinfully and wickedly as we seen in many cases.

The next deffination is, arising from actual or imputed bad character or conduct. We all can tell Draco has a bad chararcter and desplays the conduct of ti often.

Still not convinced he is evil lets take a look at another deffination. causing discomfort or repulsion. There that is a deffination of the word evil that none of us can argue fits Draco Malfoy to a t. He loves causing others discomfort he loves it.

You say he doesn't live for evil but by looking at evil by deffination I'd have to disargee because by deffination there is no way to say Draco isn't evil.

sorce for deffinations - http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/evil

Also evil is often deffined as the hero's enemy. I'd like to point out that the hero is Harry, and that Draco is one of his enemies happens to be Draco. You do the math

(Draco is influenced)

Yes Draco is against Harry. He despises him. Harry gets all the attention. His friend Hermione gets the good grades. Draco hates it. But not jsut because Harry is on the good side, and Draco's family is on the bad. He just hates the attention Harry gets, and his fame. He wishes it was himself in the limelight.

And I guess the definition "evil" depends on what degree were talking about. I like causing others discomfort at times. I'm mean. I am sinful. I do wicked deeds just like any other person. That does not make me evil. It does not make Draco evil. Were humans. We often times do things for our own benefit. Just like Draco. So if causing others discomfort is evil, then I suppose I'm evil at times too.. but the evil I think that were all talking about is much deeper. More intense. Look at Bellatrix. She enjoyed torturing the Longbottoms. She heard their screams of agony. The pain, the hurt. She liked it. Draco likes to call people names and hurt them a bit. Draco can be a bully. A rude bully that likes to make others feel bad.

Bullys aren't evil. They don't kill people in cold blood. Bullys like control and power. They like to be admired and feared, but they aren't neccasarily cold hearted people that kill women and children just, because they felt like it. Can you see Draco walking up to an innocent baby and killing it right there? Not, because someone told him to, or because he was forced to, but because he wanted to? No, I think not.

(Draco is EVIL)

Merranda theres a difference between simply bullying and crossing the line. Draco has deffinately crossed the line into plain evil.

He signed up to be a DEATH EATER for goodness sake! He WANTED IT! Someone who wants to serve the evilest wizard to ever walk the planet isn't evil?

Thats rediculious! He gets more pleasure then he should out of being cruel to people that have done nothing to him!

(Draco is influenced)

We don't even know if he's a Death Eater, and if he is, it's obvious he had no other chioce. He was born into this. If he didn't go with it Voldemort isn't going to say "You don't join? Okay! While you're at it go join Harry's side, and here you go. Have a lollipop!" No. Voldemort will kill him. Draco was born into a family of Death Eaters. If he doesn't become one he is simply going to die.

And I do know that Draco has the possibility to become evil. There is that chance that he'll choose darkness, but for the time being he hasn't chosen. That choice between good and evil hasn't fully come to him yet. Where has he gotten the chance to choose the good side before? No as a child, or his parents wouldn't be happy, and definetly as a man, because Voldemort would murder him. There will come a time when Draco has his choice, but clearly his chance has not come yet. It almost did like I said before, but Dumbledore was killed and that option went down the drain.

And we all know that many non-evil people enjoy other's pain. You've all seen it. Bullies picking on nerds. People making fun of other's, even beating them up a bit. They enjoyed it, they didn't care. They were awful people, but were they evil? No. Not yet. They were hateful, stupid, and mean, but evil was not a word that describes them or people like them (meaning Draco)

(Draco is evil)

I have to disargee. There is a path to evil, and that path starts with simple little acts people don't consider evil. However Merranda you aren't lookign at all the facts all the things that point to him being evil. You believe in second chances and that people aren't really evil that they have pressure to do what they do, but thats not true at all.

Its not WHO you hang around with or WHO is in your life. Its WHAT you make part of your life and WHAT you want as part of your life.

Draco has clearly chosen, he want's to serve Voldemort. He BRAGGED about the oppertunaty to serve him, and yiou say he has yet to make a choice?

(draco is influenced)

He bragged as you put it, because that is simply what is expected of him. Even people as daft as Crabbe and Goyle would note something surely was wrong if he didn't use that cocky nature of his. He wants to pretend and tell them it's no big deal, when he really is terrified. And I don't think he had much of a choice as to who he hangs out with. He's Slytherin. He hangs with Slytherin kids. Simple as that. And Draco being who he is, has to keep appearances up and can't be seen with lovable people who hand out flowers to random people. He has to find people that will do what he wants. That is what he was brought up to be like. It doesn't neccasarily mean he's evil. It's just who he is.

(Draco IS evil)

So you are saying that if someone is truely evil and thats just who they are it doesn't matter as they are just being themselves? Because thats what it sounded like. If he truely is evil, which he is, and he's just being himself that makes him not evil?

Once more I think you've got the wrong idea. If a person is evil it is embedded in their nature. The way they act reflects that. As you know actions speak louder then words and his actions are always pointing the same way, evil!

Well done to everyone who participated in this debate! It was very interesting to read

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