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PostSubject: Court Room 4 : Trial of the Missing Bone   Court Room 4 : Trial of the Missing Bone EmptyFri Jun 13 2008, 15:51

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Quote :

Old Mother Hubbard
Went to the cupboard
To get her poor doggiea bone,
When she got there
The cupboard was bare
So the poor littledoggie had none.




And the question presented to you the jury is; Who stole or
ate all the food and bones?





Suspects: The doggie , Mother Hubbard , Raistlin the Wizard , Little Boy Blue
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PostSubject: Re: Court Room 4 : Trial of the Missing Bone   Court Room 4 : Trial of the Missing Bone EmptyFri Jun 13 2008, 16:12

To get the delibirations started, I would like to point out something telling in the quote It states the Old MH went to the cubbard to get her poor dog a bone. Now I ask you, fellow jurors, if Old MH had been the one to clean out the cupboards, why would she then go to them to search for food?

Now, I can see some of you shaking your heads. I understand that an argument can be made for her being the culprit and simply "pretending" not to know the cupboard was bare. But I sincerley do not think that the old woman would tease her poor starving dog with the promise of a bone, knowing full well there were no bones to be had.

So let us turn our attention to the other suspects. Now it would be easy at this point to assume Rasity the culprit based on his past crimes, but for now lets consider what we know about Little Doggie and Little Boy Blue.

Little Doggie- is an animal. Some dogs are well trained, but I am taking for granted that Old Mother Hubbard probably can't afford obedience training at the local PetSmart. Dogs are allllllways hungry. However we must examine the cupboards themselves. Are oppasable thumbs needed to open the cupboards, if so we must rule out Lil' D.

Little Boy Blue:
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Quote :
ttle Boy Blue, come blow your horn.
The sheep's in the meadow, the cow's in the corn.
Where is the boy that looks after the sheep?
"He's under the haycock, fast asleep."
Will you wake him? "No, not I;
For if I do, he'll be sure to cry."

Perhaps he was fast asleep because his belly was full of food from Old MH's cupboards? Sleeping under a haycock isn't much of an alibi, Lil' BB...

And last, but not least, Raistlin the Wizard:He's evil, and proud of it. Watching a poor old woman and her little doggie starve might be good for a laugh for Rai, but is he really so malicious? Does Raisty have a soul (we know he has, as it was used as negotiations in the hippo kidnapper's demands)? Is Raisty even really evil? He really digs Britney Spears, and defends her, so would he want a poor old woman and her dog to starve?
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PostSubject: Re: Court Room 4 : Trial of the Missing Bone   Court Room 4 : Trial of the Missing Bone EmptySat Jun 14 2008, 06:05

Ah, old mother Hubbard...this was one of my favourite nursery ryhmes as a child. Well, as this question was asked, 'Who stole or ate all the food and bones?' I would immediately doubt whether some of the suspects are even capible of stealing this so-called bone for the poor doggie.

First of all, I would like to rule out Raistlin the wizard, simply because this person probably was not even on this planet at the time the crime happened. In fact, I strongly suspect that these muggle tales were even told to him as a child, along with the occasional bed-time story from the popular wizarding children's story book, 'The Tales of Beetle the Bard.' It is too obvious thatn this suspect had no involvement at all with such an incident.

Secondly, I would like to rule out of suspician the poor, unfortunate little doggie. I mean, how could a beast have been portrayed by such a sad aray of words at the end of the ryhme if it were in fact guilty of the crime. It is a confidential matter that many people have told me 'was the dogs own fault.' But to simply say this was self inflicted is completely out of order. I mean, how was the poor dog meant to open the cupboard? I mean, the bottom line is, it's a dog, and I do not think old mother Hubbard would have been able to train it, but I will discuss that issue later. The fact of the matter is that I believe that this was ot at all to do with the dog and/or that is was the dogs fault.


On the other hand, I see little boy blue and old mother Hubbard as the two prime suspects in this case.

My reasons for strongly suspecting old mother Hubbard are as follows. How do we really know what this old woman was like, how old she actually was, or whether she was in fact mentally sable. It seems to be that being described as old means that the woman was well into her latter years. She may have had problems that weren't mentioned. She may not even be of the right mind. Are any of you familiar with the horror movie 'Hide and Seek?' As some of you may know, in the film, the father of the little girl developes a mental problem and takes on the role of 'Charlie,' in order to play with is daughter, and of course, he does know he is the one doing it, so he starts to blame others for his own actions. So what I am in fact saying is, maybe the old mother Hubbard had mental conditions similar to the dad in that movie, and therefore, she may not have even know that she was the one who took the bone and food out of the cupboard. That is when she would have started to think other people were responsible.

And now I'm going to speak of my other prime suspect, Little Boy Blue. In the nursery rhyme world, anything is possible, so therefore, it would have been easy for this young man to sneak into another nursery rhyme story-line and be the crimal rather than the poor little weeping boy we know him as. He might have decided that he was sick of people talking about him as a bit of a wimp and taken on a life of crime instead. He may have gone, 'off the rails,' in his teenage years as it were, and therefore tried to cause havock by breaking into old mother hubbards home and stealing the food supplies she and her doggie need so as not to starve. Was this what he wanted to do, turn to a life of crime over a so-called 'boring' life of watching sheep.

And so, dear friends, I leave with you these thoughts to deliberate, and I must make you swear that you will tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth!
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PostSubject: Re: Court Room 4 : Trial of the Missing Bone   Court Room 4 : Trial of the Missing Bone EmptySat Jun 14 2008, 19:59

While my fellow jury member makes some good points, I would like to state, for the Record, that Raisty should never be counted out when there is mischief afoot, something of which he is very proud of. But I do agree that while I suspect Raisty is much older than he claims (he does make lofty claims of being Raistlin the Wizard), it seems unlikely that he was alive during the time. So we will return to him only if we are unable to find the guilty party.

Let us begin with my favorite Sherlock Holmes quote:

Quote :
"You will not apply my precept," he said, shaking his head. "How often have I said to you that when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth? We know that he did not come through the door, the window, or the chimney. We also know that he could not have been concealed in the room, as there is no concealment possible. When, then, did he come?"

If we take a closer look at the evidence, no where in the rhyme is it mentioned that Old Mother Hubbard stooped to open the cupboard. I think that is a key piece of evidence, simply for it not being mentioned. The rhyme clear states that the dog is Little, but as it does not refer to Mother Hub as anything other than Old, I think it is fair to reasont that she was of average height, as most nursery rhymes are quick to point out their subjects physical faults, i.e. Crooked Man, Three Blind Mice, and so on.

Although earlier I mentioned that the dog lacked opposable thumbs, there are plenty of clever dogs capable of opening up cupboards. But as the dog is little, would it be able to overcome the obstacle of both not having thumbs and the matter of attaining the height required to reach the cabinets? I believe there is too much reasonable doubt to continue with the persecution of the little doggie, and unless someone objects, I move that he be stricken from the list of suspects.

Now, Lil' Boy Blue may be little, but he is not so small that he isn't capable of holding down a part time job, and he's certainly old enough to slack off from it. Growing children often need vast quantites of food in order to facilitate growth, so it is possible that he would be tempted to eat Old Mother Hubboard's last morsel. But in no way are either he, nor Raisty for that matter, mentioned in the rhyme. I believe that all the evidence we need is contained in the poem.

Therefore, it appears that the culprit is Old Mother Hubbard. But I submit to you, my fellow jury members, that it was not intentional on her part. I feel that she is doing her best to support herself and her dog. We must remember that this crime occured in a time before pensions and social security, and I am sure if she were rich the rhyme would have included that nugget of information.

So yes, Mother Hub is guilty, but I don't believe we can prove malicious intent. To condemn this woman to prison, or even to have a record, will only compound the problem. It's obvious she is lacking funds, and how will she feed herself and her doggie if she has a criminal record and can't get any odd jobs to scrape out a living? Is she not a victim of a government that would allow her and her dog to starve, and then condemn her for it?

Mother H may have taken the last of the food, but it society that is to blame for not taking care of our elderly!
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PostSubject: Re: Court Room 4 : Trial of the Missing Bone   Court Room 4 : Trial of the Missing Bone EmptySun Jun 15 2008, 15:14

Well, my fellow jury members, you made some good points. I think that we can take the dog off the list. If he had taken it, then why would he be dissappointed when he saw there was none?

I fully support the theory that Old MH is the culprit in this. Like you brought up, it is possible that she was not in her right mind when this happened. She may have eaten the food herself, or mabey given it to a passer-by, or a group of kids collecting food for a food bank. Old MH is the one that we need to keep in our view.

I dont think that fully rules out little boy blue though. He may be little, but little boys eat the most. How do we know the little boy is not a mini, meaner version of Rai? Or just a wandering, confused little boy? He may have been walking through the forest, and gotten hungry and saw the house. Then, he could have easialy snuck in, and saw the food and eaten it. The little boy can not be ruled out yet.

Rai pretty much can be ruled out too though. I think deep down he has a soft spot, and would never be able to hurt that poor little woman and her dog.
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PostSubject: Re: Court Room 4 : Trial of the Missing Bone   Court Room 4 : Trial of the Missing Bone EmptyFri Jun 20 2008, 02:57

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PostSubject: Re: Court Room 4 : Trial of the Missing Bone   Court Room 4 : Trial of the Missing Bone EmptySun Jun 22 2008, 11:55

Hey.

Well...I dunno...do you mean a spokesperson like someone to say what they think in that thread?
Ok....I can do that!
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