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PostSubject: Harry - Godric Gryffindors decendent?   Harry - Godric Gryffindors decendent? EmptySat May 13 2006, 11:10

I have read a few theories of harry being gryffindors decendent and I am not sure what to think? does anyone have any ideas?
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PostSubject: Re: Harry - Godric Gryffindors decendent?   Harry - Godric Gryffindors decendent? EmptySun May 14 2006, 03:15

i dont think he is becuase as soon as the hat tooched his head it would have but him in griff wouldent it but it took ages and tryed to put him in slytherin.
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PostSubject: Re: Harry - Godric Gryffindors decendent?   Harry - Godric Gryffindors decendent? EmptyFri Jun 30 2006, 03:23

Yeah, but he is linked to Voldemort (the scar, duhh?) and that made the Sorting Hat question his choices or stuff... this is my theory, though! And yes, maybe Harry is somehow related to Godric Gryffindor, but then again, aren't all Pure Bloods? Didn't Sirius say so in OotP? Or something..
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PostSubject: Re: Harry - Godric Gryffindors decendent?   Harry - Godric Gryffindors decendent? EmptyTue Jul 04 2006, 06:48

I dont think that Harry is related to Godric, though I guess it is possible. Also, with regards to the pure blood decent, Harry is, even though he is half blood, his father is of pure blood decent
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PostSubject: Re: Harry - Godric Gryffindors decendent?   Harry - Godric Gryffindors decendent? EmptyWed Jul 05 2006, 10:23

I think Harry is infact a descendent of Godric Gryffindor.

I'll paraphrase an essay written by Phyllis D. Morris on HP-Lexicon

James' animagus form is that of a stag, as is Harry's patronus. St. Godric was noted for his "close familiarity with animals" and when he is depicted he often has a stag next to him. In the legend of "St. Godric and the Hunted Stag", a beautiful stag is being hunted by a party and runs to St. Godric for shelter. St. Godric provides it. The hunting party then crashes through thorns and briars to find that stag. However, St. Godric won't tell the hunters were his guests is. It sounds like St. Godric was the stag's secret keeper. However, Peter Pettigrew betrays Lily and James Potter, who do not survive as the stag did.

((STUPID WORMTAIL))

When Harry is with the Dursleys, the "privet hedge" protects him as the thorns and brambles protect the stag from the hunters. He is protected there due to "ancient protection" could this protection come from Godric Gryffindor, in whole or in part?

Harry=stag
Voldemort=hunters
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When St. Godric became a hermit he was "troubled by fiends and demons who took various shapes and forms". Well, Harry is bothered by demons-Dementors-and his boggart (takes various shapes and forms) takes the form of a dementor. But, in both instances, Harry is capable of being saved from these creatures by his patronus-a stag.

St. Godric had "the gift of prophecy, and the ability to know of events occurring hundreds or thousands of miles away". Now, does that sound like Harry is it just me? Lets count the instances:

~Voldy/Worm plotting to kill Harry and the murder of Frank Bryce-dream
~Voldy/Worm discussing Crouch Jr. murder Crouch Sr.-falls asleep in Trelawny's class (could those herbs really help open your mind??)
~Dream about Quirrell's turban in which he hears a high pitched cold laugh and sees a flash of green light
~Buckbeak wouldn't die-true, he was joking but, hey, it came true!

St. Godric wasn't a very "saintly" man before he became a saint. But he chose to become "good". Harry-although having a temptations, like St. Godric- ultimately chooses good as well.

Godric's own hat and sword-perhaps even Fawkes, since phoenixes are immortal-that assist Harry against something left behind by Salazar himself.

Harry's wand emits gold and red sparks when he first tries it-the colors of Gryffindor. The core comes from Fawkes-who is rumored (go to HP-Lexicon) to be Gryffindor's phoenix.

And Dumbledore's own words...

"Only a true Gryffindor could have pulled that out of the hat"

True in the sense of actually being a Gryffindor? If that is what Dumbledore meant, as Morris says "Harry would be the truest Gryffindor of all"
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PostSubject: Re: Harry - Godric Gryffindors decendent?   Harry - Godric Gryffindors decendent? EmptyThu Jul 06 2006, 17:39

I am almost positive that JKR debunked this rumor. Yeah. I just googled it, and she said (or implied at the very least) that he wasn't. If you would like a link or a quote, I would be happy to provide one. It probably would have ended up being too cliche with Gryffindor vs. Slytherin at the end. Eh... I was never crazy about the idea. I think it's Dumbledore personally.
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What Ginny said, makes sense! I mean, now when i think about it, Harry could be, but then again.... yeah, i dunno Harry - Godric Gryffindors decendent? 410894
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PostSubject: Re: Harry - Godric Gryffindors decendent?   Harry - Godric Gryffindors decendent? EmptyFri Jul 07 2006, 12:59

A lot of that stuff is connecting completely unrelated things and making them seem related. Not that it matters much because:

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MA: What about Harry's family — his grandparents — were they killed?

JKR: No. This takes us into more mundane territory. As a writer, it was more interesting, plot-wise, if Harry was completely alone. So I rather ruthlessly disposed of his entire family apart from Aunt Petunia. I mean, James and Lily are massively important to the plot, of course, but the grandparents? No. And, because I do like my backstory: Petunia and Lily's parents, normal Muggle death. James's parents were elderly, were getting on a little when he was born, which explains the only child, very pampered, had-him-late-in-life-so-he's-an-extra-treasure, as often happens, I think. They were old in wizarding terms, and they died. They succumbed to a wizarding illness. That's as far as it goes. There's nothing serious or sinister about those deaths. I just needed them out of the way so I killed them.

MA: That sort of shuts down Heir of Gryffindor [theories], as well.

JKR: [Pause.] Yeah. Well - yeah.
The important part in that being the last two lines. I did find something intriguing in that essay though. If Fawkes was Gryffindor's phoenix, it would make plenty of sense for it to have been passed to Dumbledore. Yay for accidentally supporting my theory.
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PostSubject: Re: Harry - Godric Gryffindors decendent?   Harry - Godric Gryffindors decendent? EmptyFri Jul 07 2006, 17:51

Although I am not going to comment either way at the moment, it does seem very possible, though if JK squashed the rumours...

anyway - I found a write up on another website (which is too long to put it all here) so follow the link to see a good debate for harry being godrics heir:

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PostSubject: Re: Harry - Godric Gryffindors decendent?   Harry - Godric Gryffindors decendent? EmptyFri Jul 07 2006, 19:52

I doubt that Godric has any relation to Harry becuz JK did confirm in one of her interviews -I believe it was CoS interview when she was asked about the sword that read Godric Gryffindor and people thought that Harry was suddenly the heir of Gryffindor. I don't remember the link but I'm almost positive that she said that there was no relation between the two.
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i doubt it. there were no clues or anything...
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PostSubject: Re: Harry - Godric Gryffindors decendent?   Harry - Godric Gryffindors decendent? EmptyThu Sep 28 2006, 08:39

Im afraid that I dont see harry being gryffindors decendent at all

Just_Ginny wrote:
James' animagus form is that of a stag, as is Harry's patronus. St. Godric was noted for his "close familiarity with animals" and when he is depicted he often has a stag next to him.
I cant see how that shows anything really. an animagus will always be an animal, and james being a stag reflects his personality, the same with harry as such. The links between them to having stags is a simple fact of father and son being alike.

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Im unsure of exactly what you are saying with this, but are yo talking of the ancient protection of love?

Im skipping a few bits......

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"Only a true Gryffindor could have pulled that out of the hat"

True in the sense of actually being a Gryffindor? If that is what Dumbledore meant, as Morris says "Harry would be the truest Gryffindor of all"

I think that this was mearly the fact that dumbledore was reassuring harry that even though the hat debated slytherin, it is his qualities which make him gryffindor
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PostSubject: Re: Harry - Godric Gryffindors decendent?   Harry - Godric Gryffindors decendent? EmptyThu Sep 28 2006, 08:49

Also, JKR has said James' parents and family aren't that important, so I don't think they could be Gryffindor's descendants.
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PostSubject: Re: Harry - Godric Gryffindors decendent?   Harry - Godric Gryffindors decendent? EmptyThu Sep 28 2006, 08:54

I agree totally! (although i didnt know that part lol) - if they were important then it might be a possibility but they arnt so i think that rules it out completely (am i rambling again lol)
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PostSubject: Re: Harry - Godric Gryffindors decendent?   Harry - Godric Gryffindors decendent? EmptyTue Nov 28 2006, 17:18

Well, I really dont think that they are blood related. However I think Harry has the qualities of a true Gryffindor, like he thinks and always acts like a Gryffindor. SO technically he's a true Gryffindor, but techinically he's not Harry James Gryffindor Potter
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I haven't read things about it.But,I would like it to be that way.'Cause Harry is a REAL Griffindor,remeber?He could make the sword from the hat for help.

I really really would like Harry to be Godric Griffindors' decendent!!!
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PostSubject: Re: Harry - Godric Gryffindors decendent?   Harry - Godric Gryffindors decendent? EmptySat Feb 24 2007, 14:48

Well, I rather think the "real Gryffindor" meant that he is brave etc. .. but it's not excluded... it would actually also construct a parallel: the original Gryffindor and Slytherin being rivals and their descendents being enemies, too.
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PostSubject: Re: Harry - Godric Gryffindors decendent?   Harry - Godric Gryffindors decendent? EmptyFri Mar 23 2007, 22:46

I dont think harry is a blood related but maybe magically related like how harry and voldemort have that connection maybe its the same for harry and godric
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PostSubject: Re: Harry - Godric Gryffindors decendent?   Harry - Godric Gryffindors decendent? EmptyThu Aug 23 2007, 19:54

Umm well if he was then like they said the hat would touch his head fully and right then he would be in gryffindor but i guess he actully he has some of voldemort content, abart of him in him and i think because of that the hart kept saying u would do well in slitheren ( sorry im all loony to day im not spelling right) but really harry might be another reason if godrics sord only a true gryffindor can pull the sord from the hat
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