Harry Potter Love Debate **STARTED**

OMG I WILL SOO SIGN UP FOR THIS FOR HUFFLEPUFF!!

And Elfie if you put me at H/Hr then I'll post even faster....hehe...H/G all the way!

*looks around with a big sigh*

I got dragged in here by Ginny so I suppose I'll sign up while I'm here now lol

I'll join this debate as the second gryffindor participant! However if you make me argue for Hermione...

Can i replace Skully as a Gryffindor?

I'll take a whack at it! i've never debated before........FOR RAVENCLAW!

Well ...~grits teeth at the possible thought of having to support Harry/Ginny but takes a deep breath and signs up for this debate~

I'm doing it...I prefer to support Hermione but if I must support H/G then I will. I can prove that I can support ANY Side and Still pull off an awesome Debate. :D FOr Slytherin sign me up! :D

I'll try for ravwenclaw, I'm not very good at debating but i'll try obviously I'll be supporting H/G

Debate! Debate! Sign me up for Slytherin!!! *hopes NOT to get Hinny*

yay we can start soon.... Elfie you didnt put me up as Hinny did you? *is scared* cause if you did i might lose my first debate ever....I'm good a debating at school, but im always lucky and get the side i support......this could be bad......

Woohooo!! We've got our other Slytherin! We're waitin for you dear mummy

~prepares his speeches for either side~

*prepares and waits for her mumsy too*

aw, it hasnt started yet?

*waits for debate to start*

GAH! I got Ginny?!?! *sighs* ok, ok...


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Harry himself, has always cared for Ginny, maybe not romantically at first but the deep seeded feelings have always been there. Upon first meeting her, Harry begins to care about her like a brother should, after all he pretty much has been adopted into the Weasley family.

Over the next six years Harry's feeling progress, and develop from brotherly affection to 'puppy' love. Through out the first five books there are small hints as to what Harry really feels towards Ginny. Though, they are subtle, but we can't ignore the fact that they are there. So, there are clues that Ginny is the right girl for Harry.

I understand that Hermione has always been by his side since day one and they have good chemistry, but Harry shows no feelings toward the brunette. There are no hints whatsoever in the books. Even though Ginny did cycle through boys alot; i believe it was just to get over Harry.

You didn't expect her to stand around forever, until he suddenly realized that he liked her as more than just a friend. Harry loves Ginny, but the only reason he doesnt show his affections fully is because of the threat of the Dark Lord. He doesn't want her to get hurt and that shows just how much he cares for the youg red head.

YAY I GOT HERMIONE!!!

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Alright, Alright, Alright. I can shoot down every point you just made.

As you pointed out Harry has basically been adopted into the Weasley family. Making Harry and Ginny just about siblings. Many people say that Harry and Hermione are more like siblings, which isnt true at all. By pointing out Harry is just about a Weasley that makes Ginny just about his sister.

Also by saying there are subtle hints in the books supporting Ginny/Harry, the key word here is SUBTLE. There happen to be MAJOR hints supporting Hermione/Harry. Which also shoots down your point as there are no hints for Harry/Hermione, because even people who don't ship either acknowledge the hints of romantic feelings between our hero and herione.

As for him not showing affections because he doesnt want her to get hurt. What if he doesnt show affections, because there is none to share. We all know, including Harry, the Voldermort is going after any family with members in the Order.

Furthermore, maybe Ginny went through all those guys as she WAS/IS over Harry. Do you really beilive it could last? Ginny is someone who doesn't keep realtionships all that long as we've seen. She is bound to move on from Harry all over again. Is that really Love then?

~takes the podium~

My fellow debaters, it is quite easy to see that Harry and Hermione should be together.

Since the beginning, from when they first met, there was a closeness; a friendly nature between Harry and Hermione.

Harry befriended her and included her in his and Ron's activities, therefore forming the necessary roots of friendship.

And as we all know, many friendships pave the way for relationships in the future. Harry and Hermione strengthened their bond in the Chamber of secrets. And though Harry saved Ginny, he didn't do it cuz he was in love with her. He did it cuz he's a nice guy, the good guy, the hero, the caring friend of Ron Weasley's and an all around nice guy.

Harry was greatly worried about Hermione when she became petrified.
And things seemed to be developing with them until Ginny pushed her way in.

Ginny is just a fangirl of Harry's that adores him because he's the boy-who-lived. Were he not, she'd surely pay him no attention what so ever.

So you can see, that Hermione is the best for Harry.

*steps up*

If there were no feelings to share then what do you recall about the monster inside him in book 6, hmm? Obviously, it wasn't brotherly affection there, it was much more.

Not to mention the flowery scent he smelt when Ginny passed by, which happened to be the same odor he smelt in Slughorn's class when they were discussing the love potion.

Ginny's realtionships don't last, I see that, but she's always fancied Harry. I really don't think it has anything to do with his fame, because she would given up on him by now.

But, she hasn't obviously.

I believe she still would have falled for him if he was not The-Boy-Who-Lived, due to the fact that Harry would most likey befriend Ron in the beginning.

How have Harry and Hermione bonded in the Chamber of Secrets? If anyone bonded, it was Ron and Hermione.

Well, remember Ginny was the unfortunate girl who got possessed by Voldemort. Who's to say that she hasn't put an evil spell on Harry.

Ahhh yes the love potion. Well of course he'd love her if she'd put a spell on him.
After all, being possessed by the Dark Lord, one can't really simply just shake off such an enchantment.

Ginny is only luring Harry into a trap.
Hermione has brains and is going to be very successful.
If poor Harry has to be with Ginny then he will sadly meet his fate.
She's evil, after all it's just hard to see it. She blinds Harry with her fawning over him to keep him from finding out that she is secretly planning to lure him to Voldemort.
Yes, she's a very evil girl.

Hermione has known Harry longer, helped him with everything and she isn't all awing over him like the red-headed fangirl.

Harry and Hermione were meant to be but sadly Ginny had to step in and intervene.

Oh no you did not just drag R/hr into this H/HR vs H/G debate. My dear Cher-rae that is for another debate

Moving on. Hello ever had a crush? You notice that stuff. But most always crushes DONT WORK OUT. I should know, crushes fade in time and you move on. Duh! This Harry/Ginny this is just a Crush, even Ginny proves that crushes move on. She did and she will again, and then Harry will to and guess who will be right there for him HERMIONE!

And as for her giving up she did! did you not pay attention? She dated quite a few other guys. But i mean come on when you have a crush on a guy for a year or two you would date him, but in the end everyone knows you never get the guy you always wanted from day one. Duh, people change.

And i am applled Jesse limted the bonding to CoS, we all know that the bonding has happened all through the books.

Well I was simply starting off with CoS cuz that's where the whole Ginny thing really takes part and surfaces.

Ginny was put under a spell and possessed by Voldemort. Therefore if you think about it, Harry's 'relationship' with her was nothing short of a simple crush.
Also, Harry and Ginny's kiss was certainly planned. So if you think about it, it was Harry kissing Voldemort in a sense rather than Ginny. Creepy yes I know, but once a possessed Ginny, always a possessed Ginny.
Now Hermione has always been loyal and faithful to Harry and only got sidetracked by Ron-another ploy of Voldemort- to keep her blinded in a vicious crush cycle to keep her from catching on. Cuz when girls and guys are in love, they are blinded easily and so that is why the whole Hermione/Ron thing came about.
Hermione is destined to be with Harry as he is destined to be with her.

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Harry kissing Voldy?? very amusing, but i have to say that you are living in the past, Fate! Ginny was possessed by Voldy when she was in 1st year, I highly doubt that Voldy would still be controlling her till this day. If anything, Dumbledore would have picked up on it before he passed away.

If Hermione was destined to be with Harry, I think they would have been together by now, but they aren't so what makes you think thay have feelings for eachother. Harry is obviously head over heels with Ginny and vice versa.

Harry and Hermione are clearly friends. You notice in HBP that he finds her quite impossible and Ginny was there to back him up. He was grateful that Ginny was there for him.

Well, expect this to be a long post, because I’m going to take every one of the pro-Harmione points, and shoot them down.

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As you pointed out Harry has basically been adopted into the Weasley family. Making Harry and Ginny just about siblings. Many people say that Harry and Hermione are more like siblings, which isnt true at all. By pointing out Harry is just about a Weasley that makes Ginny just about his sister.

Harry has basically been adopted into the Weasley family, this is true. However, your point about him being like a brother to Ginny: completely wrong. Harry’s never considered Ginny as a sister, if he had it would have been a little weird in HBP when he realised he liked her. Not once did we see him think “Oh, no, I think of her as my sister, I can’t fancy her.” However, there are plenty of instances that show brotherly behaviour towards Hermione.

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Also by saying there are subtle hints in the books supporting Ginny/Harry, the key word here is SUBTLE. There happen to be MAJOR hints supporting Hermione/Harry. Which also shoots down your point as there are no hints for Harry/Hermione, because even people who don't ship either acknowledge the hints of romantic feelings between our hero and heroine.

There are no major points to support Harry/Hermione. There are things people think they have seen, but nothing in the books really. However, when it comes to Harry/Ginny there’s tons.

PS: Ginny running after the train and crying, and Harry looking back on her – complete romantic symbolism.
COS: So much in COS, everything in the chamber for starters.
PoA: Not so much in PoA, as Ginny’s not a key player in this book.
GoF: We see that Ginny still has a crush on Harry, however he is preoccupied with Cho.
OotP: Well, this is where it really begins. I fail completely to see how the Harmonians believe this is a H/Hr book, when it clearly isn’t. We could look into the R/Hr moments (of which there are many) alone to see where Hermione’s interest really lays. However, there are two key scenes of H/Gness here, amongst many others. The first is the Chocolate in the Library scene: we see Ginny as being the only one able to understand Harry, the only one able to comfort and help him. The second major H/G scene is the “Lucky You” scene, at Grimmauld Place. Harry forgets that Ginny has been possessed, and she reminds him. This shows again that Ginny is one of the only people able to understand what he is going through.
HBP: Well, where do you want me to start? On the train, Harry feels disappointed when Ginny goes off to sit with Dean. As Rae said, the smell of his Amortentia is Ginny’s perfume. There’s the monster in his chest and the whole jealousy of Dean, and then Harry and Ginny’s actual relationship. Finally, we’re told that Ginny is Harry’s ‘biggest source of comfort’, and how hard it will be for him to leave her. And he is doing this for her own good – he wants to protect her, keep her safe, yet he has no qualms about allowing Hermione to go with him – and you say he loves Hermione? We also learn at the funeral scene that Ginny never really got over Harry, so this shoots down yet another of your points, Amber.

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Since the beginning, from when they first met, there was a closeness; a friendly nature between Harry and Hermione.

Harry befriended her and included her in his and Ron's activities, therefore forming the necessary roots of friendship.

And as we all know, many friendships pave the way for relationships in the future. Harry and Hermione strengthened their bond in the Chamber of secrets. And though Harry saved Ginny, he didn't do it cuz he was in love with her. He did it cuz he's a nice guy, the good guy, the hero, the caring friend of Ron Weasley's and an all around nice guy.

Yes, Harry and Hermione have always been friends. And that’s it: just friends. I don’t really want to bring Ron and Hermione’s relationship into this debate, however it is necessary. There’s no denying Ron and Hermione like each other after OotP and HBP, anyone who can’t see it must be reading a different set of books or something. And so, Hermione is interested in Ron, not Harry. That should end the debate there – but as I know someone will come up with some inane reason to shoot me down here, I’ll continue.

Harry saved Ginny from CoS, because, yes he is the hero, he’s a good guy. But that’s beside the point. The point is, that it’s all romantic symbolism, foreshadowing of Harry and Ginny’s relationship.

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Ginny is just a fangirl of Harry's that adores him because he's the boy-who-lived. Were he not, she'd surely pay him no attention what so ever.

This is completely untrue. If it were, how do you explain their friendship before their relationship? How do you explain Ginny’s need to help him find a way to communicate with Sirius in OotP? How do you explain Ginny defending Harry to all the people who doubt him? How do you explain her fierce desire to not let him go to the Ministry alone? If she were just a fangirl, she wouldn’t have had the guts or courage to go to the Ministry, possibly risking her life, for someone she thought of only as “the boy who lived”.

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Well, remember Ginny was the unfortunate girl who got possessed by Voldemort. Who's to say that she hasn't put an evil spell on Harry.

This is one of the more ridiculous theories abound in fandom at the moment. Of course Harry’s not under a love potion or anything of the like. The whole point of the Romilda Vane love potion subplot in HBP was to show what it was like to be under a love potion – and Ron displayed this for us beautifully. He was acting stupid, he wanted nothing more than to be with Romilda immediately – this is how a love potion works. No, Harry and Ginny’s relationship is real, no love potions involved.

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Moving on. Hello ever had a crush? You notice that stuff. But most always crushes DONT WORK OUT. I should know, crushes fade in time and you move on. Duh! This Harry/Ginny this is just a Crush, even Ginny proves that crushes move on. She did and she will again, and then Harry will to and guess who will be right there for him HERMIONE!

Ginny even states herself in HBP that she never moved on. There’s not much more to say here than even if the Harry/Ginny relationship doesn’t work out (which it will), there’s nothing to say Harry will be with Hermione – after all, she’ll be ‘entwined with another person’ (JKR – NYC reading), in other words: Ron.

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And as for her giving up she did! did you not pay attention? She dated quite a few other guys. But i mean come on when you have a crush on a guy for a year or two you would date him, but in the end everyone knows you never get the guy you always wanted from day one. Duh, people change.

See above. Ginny told Harry she hadn’t moved on. Yes, she dated Michael and Dean (shock horror! TWO boyfriends! SCARLET WOMAN ALERT! – note the sarcasm), but this was simply to try and help her forget her feelings for Harry. But it didn’t work – she’d loved him all along.

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Ginny was put under a spell and possessed by Voldemort. Therefore if you think about it, Harry's 'relationship' with her was nothing short of a simple crush.

This makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. How does it follow? Ginny was possessed by Tom Riddle…therefore Harry and Ginny’s relationship was a simple crush? That doesn’t follow, I’m afraid.

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Also, Harry and Ginny's kiss was certainly planned. So if you think about it, it was Harry kissing Voldemort in a sense rather than Ginny. Creepy yes I know, but once a possessed Ginny, always a possessed Ginny.

Ginny and Harry’s kiss wasn’t planned. Ginny was rushing to hug him after winning the game – and Harry kissed her, on the spur of the moment. And Ginny is no longer possessed. This is all supposition and the influence of too much fanfic.

That’s all I’ve got to say for now. I’ll be back later with more points and possibly some quotes from JKR (brand new ones!) which will show that Harry and Hermione will never be together, and Harry’s true love is Ginevra Weasley.

*stands up and burst out laughing*

Very funny Cher- but even you know that one book doesnt beat 5 books of evidence

And as proved by Dumbledore's death, even he can be fooled. As pointed out, once you have a link with someone it cant just poof away. So there is a connection between Ginny and Voldie and whos to say that Mr. Evil himself wont use it?

As for Harry and Hermione not yet getting together yet. Maybe its "just one of those things that gets sweeter with time". As you know their realtionship has gotten sweeter and its just going to with the more time that passes.

Now onto Amy. As she tried to shoot me down i shall shoot down the shots she fired to shoot us down :D

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Harry has basically been adopted into the Weasley family, this is true. However, your point about him being like a brother to Ginny: completely wrong. Harry’s never considered Ginny as a sister, if he had it would have been a little weird in HBP when he realised he liked her. Not once did we see him think “Oh, no, I think of her as my sister, I can’t fancy her.” However, there are plenty of instances that show brotherly behaviour towards Hermione

Amy did you even think of what you wrote. Completely wrong am i? Well he thinks of Mrs. Weasley as a motherly figure we all know this. And if he thinks of her like a mum whouldn't it we just a tiny bit wrong that you think of someone as your mum and then you date their kid? Harry and Hermione don't act like siblings, and you dont have any proof of it, no one has showed me any proof of this sibling like behavoir. So until then you have nothing.

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There are no major points to support Harry/Hermione. There are things people think they have seen, but nothing in the books really. However, when it comes to Harry/Ginny there’s tons.

PS: Ginny running after the train and crying, and Harry looking back on her – complete romantic symbolism.
COS: So much in COS, everything in the chamber for starters.
PoA: Not so much in PoA, as Ginny’s not a key player in this book.
GoF: We see that Ginny still has a crush on Harry, however he is preoccupied with Cho.
OotP: Well, this is where it really begins. I fail completely to see how the Harmonians believe this is a H/Hr book, when it clearly isn’t. We could look into the R/Hr moments (of which there are many) alone to see where Hermione’s interest really lays. However, there are two key scenes of H/Gness here, amongst many others. The first is the Chocolate in the Library scene: we see Ginny as being the only one able to understand Harry, the only one able to comfort and help him. The second major H/G scene is the “Lucky You” scene, at Grimmauld Place. Harry forgets that Ginny has been possessed, and she reminds him. This shows again that Ginny is one of the only people able to understand what he is going through.
HBP: Well, where do you want me to start? On the train, Harry feels disappointed when Ginny goes off to sit with Dean. As Rae said, the smell of his Amortentia is Ginny’s perfume. There’s the monster in his chest and the whole jealousy of Dean, and then Harry and Ginny’s actual relationship. Finally, we’re told that Ginny is Harry’s ‘biggest source of comfort’, and how hard it will be for him to leave her. And he is doing this for her own good – he wants to protect her, keep her safe, yet he has no qualms about allowing Hermione to go with him – and you say he loves Hermione? We also learn at the funeral scene that Ginny never really got over Harry, so this shoots down yet another of your points, Amber.

Amy, Amy, Amy. You really want me to highlight the h/hr points in the books? Alright, get ready for this. I shall post a moment that is memorable from each book.
SS:Hermione's lip trembled, and she suddenly dashed at Harry and thre her arms around him.
"Hermione!"
"Harry - you're a great wizard, you know."
"I'm not as good as you," said Harry, very embarrassed, as she let go of him." [...] "You drink first," said Harry. that is just too cute. We notice that they act like little kids with a crush on each other.
CoS:I'm not going anywhere!" said Harry fiercely. "One of my best friends is Muggle-born; she'll be first in line if the Chamber really has been opened -" Harry doesnt even care that he's in danger all he cares about right now is making sure Hermione is safe. And he is the first one he thought about :D
PoA:She now grasped Harry's arm painfully hard. [...]
Hermione suddenly grabbed Harry's arm again. [...]
Hermione's grip on Harry's arm was so tight he was losing feeling in his fingers. He raised his eyebrows at her; she nodded again and let go. This is so amazingly cute, because it shows us that Hermione gains strength from Harry, and not just mentally but pyshically. This is one of the MANY moments from PoA that support Hermione/Harry.
GoF:Perhaps there was truth in what Malfoy had said; perhaps Hermione was in more danger than they were. They set off again, Harry still searching his pockets, even though he knew his wand wasn't there Oh come on people. Look at this he knew his wand wasn't there and the fact that he now knows Hermione is in danger makes him want his wand, before it was a minor problem but now its different. He is scared HE wont be able to protect Hermione.
OotP:"I suppose you've all been having a real laugh, haven't you, all holed up here together-" - Harry to Hermione and Ron Now many people whould pass this off as a so what. But listen to this: Harry seems a bit jealous that Ron and Hermione have been spending time together. He feels alone and points out that they've probably been having a grand old time. But he could have gotten mad that they were having fun without him period. Instead, he's angry because they were together.

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Yes, Harry and Hermione have always been friends. And that’s it: just friends. I don’t really want to bring Ron and Hermione’s relationship into this debate, however it is necessary. There’s no denying Ron and Hermione like each other after OotP and HBP, anyone who can’t see it must be reading a different set of books or something. And so, Hermione is interested in Ron, not Harry. That should end the debate there – but as I know someone will come up with some inane reason to shoot me down here, I’ll continue.

Harry saved Ginny from CoS, because, yes he is the hero, he’s a good guy. But that’s beside the point. The point is, that it’s all romantic symbolism, foreshadowing of Harry and Ginny’s relationship.

Amy! what did i say! No draging Romione into this HARMIONE vs. HINNY debate. *sighs* moving on. what? since when is that romantic forshadowing? If anything that proves that he saved Ginny only because he is the good guy. I would i have saved her too, but does that mean i like her? (ewwwww i just grossed myself out)*shudders*

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This is completely untrue. If it were, how do you explain their friendship before their relationship? How do you explain Ginny’s need to help him find a way to communicate with Sirius in OotP? How do you explain Ginny defending Harry to all the people who doubt him? How do you explain her fierce desire to not let him go to the Ministry alone? If she were just a fangirl, she wouldn’t have had the guts or courage to go to the Ministry, possibly risking her life, for someone she thought of only as “the boy who lived”.

What friendship amy? huh? did i miss that part of the seires? Amy sure Ginny helped him, but put him into danger. Hermione was tring to protect him, a sure sign. Hello! Did you miss Hermione defending him all the way through and even LONGER than Ginny? No, you miss read that amy. He wasnt going alone Hermione and Ron were going too. Did you ever think she wanted to go only so it just wouldnt be the trio. Maybe she was jealous and feeling left out huh? Also Amy don't you know the best way to impress a guy is to show courage?

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This is one of the more ridiculous theories abound in fandom at the moment. Of course Harry’s not under a love potion or anything of the like. The whole point of the Romilda Vane love potion subplot in HBP was to show what it was like to be under a love potion – and Ron displayed this for us beautifully. He was acting stupid, he wanted nothing more than to be with Romilda immediately – this is how a love potion works. No, Harry and Ginny’s relationship is real, no love potions involved.

Whatever amy just because you can't understand something doesn't mean you have to be like that And don't you mean WAS real. You and i both no that its over and not coming back.

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Ginny even states herself in HBP that she never moved on. There’s not much more to say here than even if the Harry/Ginny relationship doesn’t work out (which it will), there’s nothing to say Harry will be with Hermione – after all, she’ll be ‘entwined with another person’ (JKR – NYC reading), in other words: Ron.

Okay there you go again dragging Romione into this debate. It has NOTHING to do with it. cause its HINNY vs. HARMIONE. Im sorry amy, but did i miss the romione part of it? And of coarse she'd say she was never over him, wouldn't you?

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See above. Ginny told Harry she hadn’t moved on. Yes, she dated Michael and Dean (shock horror! TWO boyfriends! SCARLET WOMAN ALERT! – note the sarcasm), but this was simply to try and help her forget her feelings for Harry. But it didn’t work – she’d loved him all along.

And you see above. You'd say the same thing if you wanted to keep the guy, case closed.

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This makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. How does it follow? Ginny was possessed by Tom Riddle…therefore Harry and Ginny’s relationship was a simple crush? That doesn’t follow, I’m afraid.

Amy dear as much as i love you....if you can't understand it you can't shoot it down. To me that statement you were talking of makes perfect sense. Im afraid you can't always get the points.

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Ginny and Harry’s kiss wasn’t planned. Ginny was rushing to hug him after winning the game – and Harry kissed her, on the spur of the moment. And Ginny is no longer possessed. This is all supposition and the influence of too much fanfic.

That’s all I’ve got to say for now. I’ll be back later with more points and possibly some quotes from JKR (brand new ones!) which will show that Harry and Hermione will never be together, and Harry’s true love is Ginevra Weasley.

What? Amy what did we ssay about not shooting at things you don't understand. You must look at thing through our eyes, not your own. True love? Oh please im sorry but thats so cheesy. Harry and Hermione have more chemstry (sp?) then Harry and Ginny ever will. I mean come on the chemstry between Harry and Ginny is about as much as a rock and a peanut have towards each other.

So for now i shall leave my statement at that :D

As much as I dislike shooting down other peoples points and not presenting my own, as should be in a debate, I am going to have to respond to the things Amber said.

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Well he thinks of Mrs. Weasley as a motherly figure we all know this. And if he thinks of her like a mum wouldn’t it we just a tiny bit wrong that you think of someone as your mum and then you date their kid?

Yes, Harry looks at Mrs Weasley as a motherly figure. Perhaps even a mother-in-law figure. But just because Mrs Weasley is a mother type figure for Harry, it doesn’t mean he should be deprived of a relationship with her daughter.

Well, and for all the supposed ‘evidence’ you put forward in support of the H/Hr ship – all I can say is: friendship moments.

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Amy! what did i say! No draging Romione into this HARMIONE vs. HINNY debate. *sighs* moving on. what? since when is that romantic forshadowing? If anything that proves that he saved Ginny only because he is the good guy. I would i have saved her too, but does that mean i like her? (ewwwww i just grossed myself out)*shudders*

But why shouldn’t I bring Ron into this? It’s a little difficult to talk about who Hermione really likes (i.e. Ron) without mentioning him. And it is romantic foreshadowing. If you’ve studied literature, you’ll know.

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What friendship amy? huh? did i miss that part of the seires? Amy sure Ginny helped him, but put him into danger. Hermione was tring to protect him, a sure sign. Hello! Did you miss Hermione defending him all the way through and even LONGER than Ginny? No, you miss read that amy. He wasnt going alone Hermione and Ron were going too. Did you ever think she wanted to go only so it just wouldnt be the trio. Maybe she was jealous and feeling left out huh? Also Amy don't you know the best way to impress a guy is to show courage?

Yep, you must have missed that part of the series. And again, I’m going back to what I’ve said before: there is only friendship between Harry and Hermione. End of.

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Whatever amy just because you can't understand something doesn't mean you have to be like that. And don't you mean WAS real. You and i both no that its over and not coming back.

I take offence to you saying I don’t understand. I understand the books perfectly well, TVM. And it is real, and I don’t believe it’s over. Harry still loves Ginny – that much is clear. And Hermione and Ron are at the beginning of their own relationship. Harry and Hermione is just not happening.

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Okay there you go again dragging Romione into this debate. It has NOTHING to do with it. cause its HINNY vs. HARMIONE. Im sorry amy, but did i miss the romione part of it? And of coarse she'd say she was never over him, wouldn't you?

I refer you to my previous answer as to why Ron is relevant to the debate. And if you look at page 603 (UK edition) of HBP, you’ll see all the evidence you need.

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And you see above. You'd say the same thing if you wanted to keep the guy, case closed.

She said it because it was true. She dated Michael and Dean to help her forget Harry, as I said before. She thought he’d never like her, but this changed in HBP. Of course she wanted to stop Harry from breaking up with her, she loves him.

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Amy dear as much as i love you....if you can't understand it you can't shoot it down. To me that statement you were talking of makes perfect sense. Im afraid you can't always get the points.

I didn’t shoot it down. That was the point – I was simply stating that I didn’t understand what Jesse meant. Care to explain what he did mean?

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What? Amy what did we ssay about not shooting at things you don't understand. You must look at thing through our eyes, not your own. True love? Oh please im sorry but thats so cheesy. Harry and Hermione have more chemstry (sp?) then Harry and Ginny ever will. I mean come on the chemstry between Harry and Ginny is about as much as a rock and a peanut have towards each other.

Oh, I understand what was meant perfectly well. It’s just that I disagree with it. And the looking at things with your eyes? I don’t understand that – why would I? I am reading the book as it stands – and as it stands, there is Harry and Ginny. There shouldn’t be much more to say, but…

Cheesy it may be, but if you were saying it about Harry and Hermione it wouldn’t be. And as for Harry and Hermione having more chemistry, well…they have none. Ginny and Harry on the other hand…

Now that I am done with responding to your very tenuous arguments for Harmione, I’ll let you think on these quotes from JKR:

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ES: We thought it was clearer than ever that Harry and Ginny are an item and Ron and Hermione — although we think you made it painfully obvious in the first five books —
JKR: [points to herself and whispers] So do I!
ES: What was that?
JKR: [More loudly] Well so do I! So do I!
[All laugh; Melissa doubles over, hysterical, and may have died.]
ES: Harry/Hermione shippers - delusional!
JKR: Well no, I'm not going to - Emerson, I am not going to say they're delusional! They are still valued members of my readership! I am not going to use the word delusional. I am however, going to say — now I am trusting both of you to do the spoiler thing when you write this up —
[More laughter.]
JKR: I will say, that yes, I personally feel - well it's going to be clear once people have read book six. I mean, that’s it. It’s done, isn’t it? We know. Yes, we do now know that it's Ron and Hermione. I do feel that I have dropped heavy -
[All crack up]
JKR: - hints. ANVIL-sized, actually, hints, prior to this point. I certainly think even if subtle clues hadn't been picked up by the end of “Azkaban,” that by the time we hit Krum in Goblet...

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MA: I think you set that up from the train compartment scene [in book one], where he was watching — all the relationships, that scene probably set it up.
JKR: I think so. I hope so. So you liked Harry/Ginny, did you, when it happened?
ES: We've been waiting for this for years!
JKR: Oh, I'm so glad.

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JKR: And I feel that Ginny and Harry, in this book, they are total equals. They are worthy of each other. They've both gone through a big emotional journey, and they've really got over a lot of delusions, to use your word, together. So, I enjoyed writing that. I really like Ginny as a character.

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JKR: Well, no, not really, because the plan was, which I really hope I fulfilled, is that the reader, like Harry, would gradually discover Ginny as pretty much the ideal girl for Harry. She's tough, not in an unpleasant way, but she's gutsy. He needs to be with someone who can stand the demands of being with Harry Potter, because he's a scary boyfriend in a lot of ways. He's a marked man. I think she's funny, and I think that she's very warm and compassionate. These are all things that Harry requires in his ideal woman. But, I felt — and I'm talking years ago when all this was planned — initially, she's terrified by his image. I mean, he's a bit of a rock god to her when she sees him first, at 10 or 11, and he's this famous boy. So Ginny had to go through a journey as well.

-The LeakyMug interview, July 2005

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- Being one of the first author's to rise to fame during the online boom how has it affected her and her writing?

She said she tried to never, ever read her reviews for a long time and tried not to still. She bypasses all the praise and glowing reviews and then "sees oh, one star, oh yeah" (said in creepy demonic voice). She said that for a while when she answered questions about her online fans and all the Pottermania online she said she never read it, because that was the truth and she hadn't. Then one bored day she googled Harry and Potter and "oh. my. god.". Her eyes were opened to this world. She actually mentioned the shipping wars (which people yelled out at). She clarified what they were for anyone over 18 who didn't use a computer. She described it as "cyber gang warfare" and the audeince laughed. Once again talking about how some thought that Hermione should be with Harry (people hollared at this) and she said expressed disbelief that they were still out there, someone on my level yelled out "delusional" and she visibly cringed but again expressed amazement that they still believed, continuing that others thought she should be with Ron (at which point a large portion of the audience squealed and yelled). She thought it was wonderful to be able to reach her fans and that it was great for all of them to have this sort of large book club. To sum up her thoughts on the internet and her fanbase.

-An account about the reading in NYC, August 2006.

And they’re straight from the horses mouth. Nothing much else to say, is there?

Voldemort's possession of Ginny has a lot to do with this cuz we can NOT be sure she is cured.

What if she harbors a dormant part of Voldemorts soul in her? It would explain her extremely odd behavior.

Yes she started off as a fangirl of Harry's. Then Only became friends with him because he was friends with Ron, fred and George.

Ginny's 'infatuation' with Harry was simply because of Voldemort's possession over her.

And there is no evidence that she ISN'T still possessed.
And Dumbledore was a great man but Voldemort could have hidden his possession of Ginny from him. And Dumbledore was killed IN Hogwarts! Helloooo see??? Dumbledore was killed so he can't know everything and he couldn't have known that he was going to be killed which leads me to believe that he was NOT able to detect if Ginny was possessed or not.

Voldemort isn't the most powerful Dark Wizard for nothing you know.
It's never once been written in the books that I have found that stated that Ginny didn't use a love potion on Harry.
It is speculation that their whole relationship was 'real'.
Yes, we are seeing the surface as awww Harry and Ginny the perfect couple. But there's something being hidden from us.
That being, in my opinion, that Ginny is still possessed by Voldemort-perhaps a piece of Voldemort is lying dormant within her.
You can not rule that out for in book 7 I bet that's what one of the shocking secrets will be.
And there is absolutely no proof that Harry and Hermione are 'just friends'.
Hermione is blinded by her infatuation with Ron-a relationship that won't last but let's not get me started on that one-wrong debate for it-
Anyway, look at the patterns.
James-wizard
Lily-muggleborn
equals= Harry
Harry-wizard
Ginny pureblood =nope no pattern
Harry-wizard
Hermione-muggleborn=Yes! A perfect match.
And yes History would repeat its self in that sense and would make more sense.

Ginny also goes through boys quicker than Hogwarts goes through DADA teachers. She's frivelous and unable to make a committment.
She also only loves Harry because.1 He is the boy who lived. 2. He saved her life and she owes him.

Hermione loves him genuinely for all of him, not because he's famous and not because he's saved her.
They have in turns, saved each other. Harry and Hermione are as close as you can get with finding the right couple. The perfect couple.

Harry is smart, willing to pull his own weight, protective, brave, kind, loving, generous, and Hermione deserves him and he deserves her.
Hermione is bright, intelligent, very clever, going to become successful and deserves Harry for they are most compatible.

These two would build a strong relationship and would last. This is another reason why Harry is better off with Hermione, plus she was too smart and too clever and wasn't possessed by an evil dark wizard like Ginny was.
So yes, Harry and Hermione are indeed perfect for each other in everyway.

while i must disagree with jesse when he says that Ginny may still be possesed by He-Who-Must-Not-Be-named, i concur with his statements that Ginny is just infatuated and that she goes through boys faster than DADA professors.

Ginny is to go by the wind, Hermione is level headed and logical, just what Harry needs.

Also, is has been stated that Harry is part of the Weasley family, and there could be nothing more true, making ginny/harry incestuous.

Hermione is there for Harry when Harry and Ron are fighting in GoF. In S/S Hermione supports and encourages him, in PoA Hermione seems truely upset when Harry tends to side with ron on the scabbers/crookshanks matter. It is also Hermione who helps Harry with the Time Turner. in OotP, it is Hermione who sees his talent for DADA, Hermione who is grim about him snogging cho. In HBP it is Hermione who turns to Harry for support when ron is being pigheaded.

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James-wizard
Lily-muggleborn
equals= Harry
Harry-wizard
Ginny pureblood =nope no pattern
Harry-wizard
Hermione-muggleborn=Yes! A perfect match.
And yes History would repeat its self in that sense and would make more sense.

You say about them being equals due to their parentage but harry has often been told on countless occasions he has a strong ressemblence of his father (James Potter). Lily Potter was muggled, yes. She had flaming red hair, she was petite, had a firey temper and no doubt, a lot of courage. This can also be said about one Ginny Weasley. Ginny has flaming red hair, is petite, has a firey temper and no doubt, a lot of courage...

Anyone see the resemblence?

The fact that ginny "goes through boys quicker than Hogwarts goes through DADA teachers" as jesse wrongly put was because of the fact she was trying to get over harry. She is trying to fill an emotional hole which harry needs to fill. And for your information, she only went out with TWO other boys. Ginny broke up with them because after comparing them to Harry, they just simply do not match up to him.

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getting through the portrait hole was simple; as he approached it, Ginny and Dean came throguh it and Harry was able to slip between them. As he did so, he brushed accedently against Ginny.
"Don't push me, please, Dean," She said sounding annoyed. "You're always doing that, I can get through perfectly well on my own..."
The portrait swung close behind Harry, but not before he had heard Dean make an angry retort...his feeling of elation increasing.

HBP, pg 447, UK edition

This shows that Harry is glad he has caused an argument between Ginny and Dean. Therefore, Harry wants them to seperate.

Lifey said

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In HBP it is Hermione who turns to Harry for support when ron is being pigheaded.

But, the only reason for this is because Hermione sees Harry as a brother. And I know from past experieces for me, and people I know, that we talk about people we fancy to our siblings, NOT the people we are supposedly "In love" with. This is the same case with Harry and Hermione.

As lifey also said

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It is also Hermione who helps Harry with the Time Turner.

Anyone who has read the book and even seen the films would have noticed that Ron is lying in bed with a mangled leg and unable to help. If he had been in good health, he would have accompanyed Harry and Hermione on their quest to save Sirius/Buckbeak.
There I shall leave it...for now...[/i][/quote]

(I must say I'm quite sorry to be on this side but you must do what you have to do *ahem* elfie! lol)

Sigh, the arguement of who harry loves more. You are all right. I do believe that harry cares for Ginny in the 6th book, nobody can deny that. But was there really any hints of it before then? Can you honestly say reading books 1-5 you just KNEW they would be together? No, but after book 6 you are convinced and therefore determined they would be together. Whats to say that something may not happen in book 7 that could completely change everyone's minds? Maybe after book 7, everybody would Harry is perfect with Luna.
And I've read the first post rules over (and over and over) and this debate isn't about who Harry loves most, because obviously one would say Ginny after the 6th book. Who wouldn't say he doesn't love her right now? That's because he's with her, of course you love the one you're with. This debate is about who is RIGHT for Harry.

"Which girl is right for Harry? What about Ginny, the weasley with attitude, or how about Hermione, the book loving girl who is always by his side?"

And that without a doubt is Hermione. She's the one thats always been there for him and is the one he can turn to in need. You say that he doesn't want to be with Ginny because he doesn't want her to get hurt, well he told Ron and Hermione that he wants to look for the Horcruxes alone. Also to keep them out of harms way. Yet they are determined to stay with him which will strengthen their bond. What Hermione and Ron has seems like elementary puppy love. What Harry and Hermione have is real.

jennifer williams wrote:

And that without a doubt is Hermione. She's the one thats always been there for him and is the one he can turn to in need.

Let's get this straight. Hermione is Harry's best friend and like McFly pointed out Harry sees her as a sister and nothing more. He turns to her need becaus he feels her as his sibling and we all turn to our siblings when we are in need.

jennifer williams wrote:

You say that he doesn't want to be with Ginny because he doesn't want her to get hurt, well he told Ron and Hermione that he wants to look for the Horcruxes alone.

He broke up with Ginny because he cares for what happens to her. He knows that Voldemort goes after the ones he loves and he loves Ginny, he only did what he thought right. Yes, he declared to both his best friends that he wanted to go alone, but Ron and Hermione are both stubborn. They absolutley refuse to leave him and that's out of loyaltly not because Hermione is afraid to leave his side.

jennifer williams wrote:

What Hermione and Ron has seems like elementary puppy love. What Harry and Hermione have is real.

Harry and Hermione don't have anyhting, because their was nothing their to begin with. And no more ring H/R into this G/H vs. H/Hr debate as Amber has said in last posts.

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Let's get this straight. Hermione is Harry's best friend and like McFly pointed out Harry sees her as a sister and nothing more. He turns to her need becaus he feels her as his sibling and we all turn to our siblings when we are in need

Please, i must be the expection. Siblings don't always get along, and if that was so they wouldn't turn to them. You guys keep talking of this brother/sister bond but you have no proof.

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He broke up with Ginny because he cares for what happens to her. He knows that Voldemort goes after the ones he loves and he loves Ginny, he only did what he thought right. Yes, he declared to both his best friends that he wanted to go alone, but Ron and Hermione are both stubborn. They absolutley refuse to leave him and that's out of loyaltly not because Hermione is afraid to leave his side.

Rae you've got half of that right. Hermione is so stubborn and cares so much about Harry that so WON'T leave his side. If Ginny tried hard enough she could get Harry to argee but she didn't try she didn't resist unlike Hermione who wanted to be by Harry's side, and wanted to be there for him.


And for my first real point that isnt shooting a person down. Jenn is right this isn't about who he loves more its whos BEST for him. Harry needs someone compastionate and understanding, but also someone who can help him grow. Hermione has been there for Harry and his problems, but at the same time she is always helping him to learn and grow. She has been there from day 1 and will continue to be there.

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Hermione has been there for Harry and his problems, but at the same time she is always helping him to learn and grow. She has been there from day 1 and will continue to be there.

Yes, she has been there for harry, as a friend and a sisterly figure! If you look back to my reasons of this you will see why it makes sense.

You say she helps him learn to grow but that doesn;t proove hermione is better for Harry. All it porooves is she is a very close friend to harry. But hasn't ron also been there from day one? Hasn't ron helped him learn to grow? Does that mean ron is also a perfect match for harry...oh that's definatly wrong *shudders*

I've not got the energy to do a long and convoluted post right now, but I just wanted to remark on this point made by Jenn:

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Sigh, the arguement of who harry loves more. You are all right. I do believe that harry cares for Ginny in the 6th book, nobody can deny that. But was there really any hints of it before then? Can you honestly say reading books 1-5 you just KNEW they would be together? No, but after book 6 you are convinced and therefore determined they would be together.

I've always seen H/G coming, and I'm a longtime reader of Harry Potter, ever since 1998 in fact. I've been a H/G shipper since 2000 - since GoF, I didn't just see it after HBP.

Therefore, this point of the argument is NOT valid.

mcfly_42 wrote:

Yes, she has been there for harry, as a friend and a sisterly figure! If you look back to my reasons of this you will see why it makes sense.

You say she helps him learn to grow but that doesn;t proove hermione is better for Harry. All it porooves is she is a very close friend to harry. But hasn't ron also been there from day one? Hasn't ron helped him learn to grow? Does that mean ron is also a perfect match for harry...oh that's definatly wrong *shudders*

Elly! You have no proof of this brother and sister realtionship you are trying to sell onto me. I don't see your reasons vaildly because there is no proof there.

No Ron hasnt helped him grow. Show me one place in ANY of the books that Ron has helped Harry grow. And looking back you can see Ron hasn't been there from day one. There were quiet a few times when Harry wouldn't talk to Ron AT ALL, but still was loyal with Hermione. And you can see many places durning to time Harry and Hermione were fighting that he missed her, and hated fighting with her. He trusts Hermione alot more than he trusts Ginny and if i not mistaken isn't trust essentual for a healthy realtionship?

amberg93 wrote:

No Ron hasnt helped him grow. Show me one place in ANY of the books that Ron has helped Harry grow. And looking back you can see Ron hasn't been there from day one. There were quiet a few times when Harry wouldn't talk to Ron AT ALL, but still was loyal with Hermione.

What do you mean Ron hasn't helped Harry gorw? He's been by Harry's side since first year, he helped him escaped the Dursley's! All friends have their litttle "im not talking to him/her fights" but if you recall, didn't Harry not want to talk to Hermione in POA after she had his broom confiscated?

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He trusts Hermione alot more than he trusts Ginny and if i not mistaken isn't trust essentual for a healthy realtionship?

Of course he's gonna trust Hermione more because their friends and he's known her longer, but we can't ignore the fact that he trusts Ginny true. It's written in text in Book 5. In Harry's fifth year,he reveals how much he actually trusts Ginny, and values her understanding nature.

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Harry looked at her. Perhaps it was the effect of the chocolate - Lupin had always advised eating some after encounters with Dementors - or simply because he had finally spoken aloud the wish that had been burning inside
him for a week, but he felt a bit more hopeful.

Or, just maybe, it was the fact it was Ginny that he was talking to, which made him feel better. Even if not, it shows that he is comfortable with confiding in her and that she is someone he feels he can trust with his most important secrets

Harry and Hermione have been thre for each other, they're MORE than brother and sister like. They are truly the couple who was meant to be.

Ginny is so evil in many aspects. Hurting Harry by going after all those guys, And it's common sense that you can NOT get over someone by running to someone else!
You have to face your feelings head on. Also, Ginny messed around with the other guys hoping to get over Harry, which only made her look worse.

Until Ron started appealing to Hermione, she was always with Harry. She's supported him and helped him as much as she could.
She and Harry had less fights than he and Ginny. Ginny's got a bad temper and I still see that Harry is too good for her.
Harry is perfect with Hermione.

Cher-rae wrote:

What do you mean Ron hasn't helped Harry gorw? He's been by Harry's side since first year, he helped him escaped the Dursley's! All friends have their litttle "im not talking to him/her fights" but if you recall, didn't Harry not want to talk to Hermione in POA after she had his broom confiscated?

Of course he's gonna trust Hermione more because their friends and he's known her longer, but we can't ignore the fact that he trusts Ginny true. It's written in text in Book 5. In Harry's fifth year,he reveals how much he actually trusts Ginny, and values her understanding nature.

Or, just maybe, it was the fact it was Ginny that he was talking to, which made him feel better. Even if not, it shows that he is comfortable with confiding in her and that she is someone he feels he can trust with his most important secrets

You have ONE time that Harry didn't want to talk to Hermione, and maybe you don't recall, but he wanted to talk to her alot sooner than Ron, he missed her. Did you forget that fact?

Her understanding nature? How many times in the books do you see Harry going to Ginny for advice? How many times do you see him showing pure trust in her? You have an example in EVERY book of Harry showing true trust in Hermione. EVERY single book, you can't say he doesn't truely trust MORE THAN Ginny, and also in EVERY book you see Harry getting Hermione's advice and seeing her understadning nature.

Look up. I shall say this again Harry confides and shares important secrets with Hermione in EVERY SINGLE BOOK. Have no doubt that he whould come to Hermione first and deffinately feels confortable sharing secrets with her.

Fated4HP wrote:

Harry and Hermione have been thre for each other, they're MORE than brother and sister like. They are truly the couple who was meant to be.

She and Harry had less fights than he and Ginny. Ginny's got a bad temper and I still see that Harry is too good for her.
Harry is perfect with Hermione.

Exactly Jesse hit the nail on the head here. They are alot more like a couple than a brother and sister.

Harry is too good for Ginny, and that temper of Ginny's could blow up the whole relationship with one simple fight. And yes Harry is perfect for Hermione but don't forget the Hermione is also perfect for Harry.

I would like to bring up another point, i'm sure it's been brought up, but as i've reread OotP, it seems that throughout Harry's girl troubles, it's only Hermione who, despite there being hints of jealousy, understands his problems and is patient with him, where she simply scorns Ron. she truely wants to help him, maybe under the thought that maybe he would come to have feelings for her instead of cho. My point is however, she understands him enough to be able to explain things to him.

Oh something else that I think I should point out:

The future of Harry/Ginny-

Okay for the sake of argument, yes I will agree it IS what is in the book. Harry and Ginny together. BUT what about the future? I see a Harry and Ginny's future to be nothing but problems, arguments, fighting etc. Harry's a decent guy, Ginny was his fangirl and so naturally she wanted to leech off of his popularity. She may love him to a point but may not be IN love with him.
After all, she's jumped to 2 different guys already. Who's to say that she won't do it again?
Ginny also has a bad temper and she could drive poor Harry insane. Harry and Ginny may be a good 'couple' in school but after they leave school they have nothing but problems to look forward too.

Yup Jesse is right again.

Ginny does have a horrible temper and as i said one little fight could ruin them forever.

Hermione is understanding, and would help Harry through his hard times. She would know when to leave him alone and when to help him.

Ginny would always be following him trying to help, when only annoying Harry and making things much worse then they already were.

Amber is absolutely right

Ginny will be following Harry around while Hermione would be right there initiating a plan and actually be of help to Harry.

Hermione is very intelligent and with her and Harry, there's no question why they shouldn't be together.

(where are all of fellow debaters? i feel lonely)

Now Hermione has always been and will always be our classic heroine. And we all know Harry is the hero. Now everyone loves a good hero and herione relationship :D

Also, i dont know how many people notice this, but if Harry and Hermione did get married they'd have the same intials. See

Harry Hermione
James Jane
Potter Potter

Isnt that just the cutest thing? :D

Good point there, Amber

Yes, those initials are cute and would be perfect for them. They should be together. They care so much for eachother that they need to be together and let Ginny go to Voldemort cuz she's evil.

Now that im back i shall post here. I read the first Harry Potter book again. Many Hinny shippers belive the train part show romantic feelings. BUT i am here to prove you wrong.

Sorcerer's Stone U.S. Edition Pg. 95

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Harry sat down next to the widow where,helf hidden, he could watch the red-haired family on the platforn and hear what they were saying.

It does not say Harry watched Ginny, it says the red-haired FAMILY.

S.S. U.S. Edition Pg. 97

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Harry heard the little girls voice. "Oh , Mom, can I go on the train and see him, Mom, oh please..."

Notice Ginny is decribed as a little girl even though shes yet but a year younger than Harry..... Also Ginny feels the need to stare at him and as so put by Mrs. Weasley 'google at him like an animal in the zoo.'

and finally

S.S. U.S. Edition Pg. 99

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-who found Ron just as interesting as he found him

Harry finds the wizard family interesting, NOT Ginny.....