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PostSubject: Re: Chapter 33   Chapter 33 EmptySun Jul 22 2007, 09:40

okay, this was by far the best chapter of the book in my opinion. just...the whole snape and lily relationship was beyond perfect in my opinion....
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PostSubject: Re: Chapter 33   Chapter 33 EmptySun Jul 22 2007, 09:45

Second best in my opinon the best chapter was the whole Harry vs Voldie bit lol! But I loved it o it was magical I just want to read that chapter again. I can't wait to read some good snape/lily fics lol! I adore that chapter.
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PostSubject: Re: Chapter 33   Chapter 33 EmptySun Jul 22 2007, 16:52

I agree that this was one of the best, though not the best.

I know a lot of people dislike the memories of Snape liking lily, but it was apparent a long time ago (at least to me) and I felt it was dealt with perfectly. Lily didnt love Snape, though Snape loved her - it showed his heart and later his pain. It explained a lot of what he did and why he felt the way he did, why he came across as cold.

The later memories explained DD's trust in full, fully redeemed Snape (as I knew would happen - I never doubted Snape lol)

The first instance, before the memories, which showed Snapes loyalty to DD was the password being 'Dumbledore'. I also think that this was in place so that Harry could enter the office as Snape believed he would need to. I still feel saddened that Snape was dead, and throughout this chapter was quite upset, though this was the chapter I had been waiting for!

It also explained a lot about why Petunia was the way she was about Lily - jealousy.

Snape wishing he was dead because he knew that, in part, he was to blame for lilys death - shows compassion and later, DD telling him how brave he is - it shows Snape in a completely different light to how many people saw him.

The final memories were exactly what I expected - DD telling Snape he would have to be the one to kill him, and Snape not taking it lightly. The amount he trusted Snape showed within the final memories.

When DD mentioned in the memories that Harry would have to die, my immediate thought was anger towards DD. Anger over the fact that he lied to Harry, that he seemingly used him for 'the greater good' and such like, though in the later chapters, I realise the full extent of this and go back to liking DD and believing in him once more, though there was this fleeting second of dislike here.

And finally we see that the doe belongs to Snape - it was Snape all along who helped Harry find the sword and has been watching over him in many ways - protecting him in a way.

And Snape even shouts at Prof Black for using the word 'mudblood' - showing what type of person he truley is under his mask.
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PostSubject: Re: Chapter 33   Chapter 33 EmptySun Jul 22 2007, 17:11

I liked this chapter, but not really what it contained. It did explain to us a lot, but I didn't like the Snape and Lily friendship, not one bit.

If it had been totally one-sided, and his friendship not returned by Lily, I could have coped with it, but the way it was I didn't really like.

The later scenes with Dumbledore were much better and finally explained everything. There was a great line:

"Would you like me to do it now?" asked Snape, his voice heavy with irony. "Or would you like a few moments to compose an epitaph?"
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PostSubject: Re: Chapter 33   Chapter 33 EmptySun Jul 22 2007, 17:34

But what is so wrong with their friendship? Snape was the first wizard friend she ever had, so it was fitting that they became friends. They stopped being friends when Snape changed and became obsessed with the dark arts in Hogwarts, but before, he was not a bad person, only with a bad family.
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PostSubject: Re: Chapter 33   Chapter 33 EmptySun Jul 22 2007, 17:41

I know that, I just don't like the idea. I love MWPP and Lily era fanfics, and though there's very little about the characters at that age in the book I feel I've got to know them well. I just can't see my idea of Lily being friends with Snape.

My problem is that I don't really like Snape as a character and so don't want to associate him with one of my favourite characters.
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PostSubject: Re: Chapter 33   Chapter 33 EmptyMon Jul 23 2007, 04:19

lol I guess I am the other way around - I wanted Snape to show feelings like this, to show he is not the nasty person people thought him to be, and so therefore, I was very pleased with this
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PostSubject: Re: Chapter 33   Chapter 33 EmptyMon Jul 23 2007, 17:14

I didn't believe Snape was good until I read this chapter, but after reading it I decided I really liked the Snape/Lily relationship, because it is the 'best friends from childhood' kind. I love the memory where Snape speaks to Lily for the first time and tells her she's a witch and she thinks she has been insulted, and Snape is upset that she doesn't understand...
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PostSubject: Re: Chapter 33   Chapter 33 EmptySun Jul 29 2007, 18:29

I liked this chapetr before I read this chapter I thought Snape was evil. I lik that Snape is good and all and that he loved Lily, so sad.
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PostSubject: Re: Chapter 33   Chapter 33 EmptyWed Aug 01 2007, 10:15

*Bows to the great Elf*

You were right, *says it through clenched teeth* Snape. was. good. there now that that's over and done with I can discuss this chapter.

I really didn't think that the whole Lily/Snape thing was nessicary but it made for a great read. I think at one point, before Snape called Lily "Mudblood" Lily might have loved Snape. But that vanished when he started going over to the dark side.

The fact that DD never told Harry he would have to die, I think somewhere deep down Harry felt that he would have to. But in the way that DD made Snape be the one to tell Harry I thought that was very painful for Snape to approch Harry, the last living reminder of Lily, and tell him he would have to die.

All in all I loved this chapter to bad Snape had to die, I wish it had been Umbridge instead.
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PostSubject: Re: Chapter 33   Chapter 33 EmptyThu Aug 23 2007, 21:24

I liked this chapter... when I was readin the part about Snape telling lily about the dementors i quickly thought about one of the earlier books where Patuna was saying about how she heard that boy telling lily about them... i thought she was talking about james but now i see she was talking about snape
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PostSubject: Re: Chapter 33   Chapter 33 EmptyFri Aug 24 2007, 11:36

When we found out Harry was a horcrux my mouth dropped open. I was soo shcoked.. I couldn't believe it. I really didn't think he was one.. idk y but I didn't ge tmad at Dumbledore even though most people did. I was really said and I cried when I found out he had to die but i wasn't angry.. I also didn't like the Lily-Snape friendship.. I agree becasue I wanted Lily not to return the feelings and she did, that made me mad becasue I wanted James to be the one she loved... idk it upset me...
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PostSubject: Re: Chapter 33   Chapter 33 EmptyThu Dec 27 2007, 22:42

well in the end she ended up marrying james.... just keep that in mind everytime you read that part...
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PostSubject: Re: Chapter 33   Chapter 33 EmptySat Jan 12 2008, 10:37

lol. tue. And I was wanted to mention that SNAPE IS NOT GOOD. Okay, granted he's not evil either but he did some really terrible thins and I think that he's nuetral. I still don't like him though.

I think my favrote ting about this chapter was learning about Petunia and how jealous she was. It really put the peices of the puzzle together.
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