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PostSubject: Discussion Class Four: Magical Creatures, Intelligent?   Discussion Class Four: Magical Creatures, Intelligent? EmptyFri Jan 18 2008, 05:00

Welcome to the fourth CoMC discussion class: are magical creatures intelligent or not? Can they understand humans and each other?

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PostSubject: Re: Discussion Class Four: Magical Creatures, Intelligent?   Discussion Class Four: Magical Creatures, Intelligent? EmptyFri Jan 18 2008, 21:28

Well I say it all depends on what kind of magical creature it is. If was a troll then no I dont think that they are very intelligent. I dont think that they could understand humans too well. If they heard a sound they might look to where it was at but I dont think that they would be able to understand what they said and I think that it would be nest to impossible to teach one how to talk anyways. They might be able to understand one another but seeing as to how unintelliegnt a troll are they probably cant understand one another very well.

Now there are some other very intelliegnt creatures like a Sphinex. They spend a lot of time coming up with riddles that not many muggles or wizards could figure out so if they are coming up with these riddles then they must have some kind of intelliegnt. Also they ust be able to understand humans otherwise they wouldnt know if they came up with the correct answer or not.
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PostSubject: Re: Discussion Class Four: Magical Creatures, Intelligent?   Discussion Class Four: Magical Creatures, Intelligent? EmptyFri Jan 18 2008, 21:56

Like Stephy, I'm going to have to agree with her statement that it depends on the creature in which you're speaking of. At Gringotts, you will find goblins that run the largest and safest Wizarding bank. If these creatures did not have the intelligence to do what they do, and as well as they do, then they wouldn't be allowed to run that establishment.

Magical creatures do have a brain, of course the size does vary per creature, but there is still a brain nonetheless. How that creatures uses his or her brain is up to that creature, but there is still one that can be used in any given situation.
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PostSubject: Re: Discussion Class Four: Magical Creatures, Intelligent?   Discussion Class Four: Magical Creatures, Intelligent? EmptySat Jan 19 2008, 10:58

I agree with the people above. I do think that it depends on the creature with some being more intelligent than others, but in all, I do think that they are intelligent. I beleive that all creatures (magical and muggle included) have there own ways to communicate and survive. As for understanding humans, I am doubtful that they can. My main reason for the doubt is that, we can't understand them, so how could they understand us. By understand I mean communicate with. We can understant emotions and such because all creatures have those but I mean carrying on a conversation.
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I feel that intelligence magical creatures are all intelligent but on different scales. Intelligence can't just be measured by emotions and communication. Even if we can't understand them we can't forget that other creatures might after all they manage to survive in the wild.
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I think it actually depends on the situation. For example, an animal will know the quickest and smartest way to escape danger if they are in their enviroment. Humans will not know the same thing. True that creatures like trolls are not smart, but that's in the human society. They are probably smart and better adapted if in their habitat.

Also humans should not judge the creature since we do not understand them. Maybe there is a reason they are angry and we just think them as dumb and violent. So overall, I think all creatures are intelligent, just to a certain degree and different places.
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I think they are smart.....depending on the speices of creature of course but all have to be treated with some type of respect. Goblins, House Elves even, dragons, Hippogriffs and others they all have feelings in thier own ways. As for trolls, they are the dumbest things alive no matter what people say but they are usefull boggarts.
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Magical Creatures are intelligent in their own way. Look at Buckbeak, he saved Harry and Herminone in the thrid book because Lupin was going to attack them, when Lupin was in his warewolf form. And what about Fawkes, he saved Harry in the second book. Fawkes healed Harry, so Harry wouldn't die. So, I think that all magical creatures are intelligent in their own little way. Some might not be as intelligent as others but their still intelligent.
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I feel that magical creatures ARE intelligent. I mean, magic equals power, and power means intellgence. Okay, so they may not be able to talk to us humans (with the exception of Thestrals, goblins, and House elves.) but they are aware of their sorundings, and are able to help those who know of their power. To be able to detect witches and wizards from everyday people is extroridnary. So is the way they are able to help those who have been kind to them.
Even Trolls have some intelligence. They recognize who their "master" is, whether it is human or not. So do Giants, and other such creatures. You see how they were listening and controlled by Voldemort in the Final Battle? Well, I would define that as intelligence.
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I agree with what stephums said at the start. It all depends on what creature we are discussing. For example a flobber worm is not the highest intelligence for a magical creature whearas a unicorn is an intelligent beast. Like most animals they will understand simple commands such as 'come' this shows us a certain amount of intelligence though it cannot be said that they could talk and understand us.
Perhaps to them it is like learning a foreign language but not being able to understand it. After awhile you pick up the words and start to understand them.
Magical creatures will not have more intelligence than that of a normal animal and I feel that thier intelligence is that of the same for all of them.
Of course they are intelligent but compared to humans they are nothing. They life will revolve around finding a mate and continuing the life cycle which is how it should be for humans, non the less our 'intelligence' it ruining the world. I think with that it shows that the animals are intelligent as they are living their own lives and if it was just animals living on this world then the earth would not be about to be destroyed because of pollution.
Intelligence will also come with an animals natural instinct to survive, and that shows us that they find inner calm with their bodies. As said up there intelligence is not all about communication for animals. It can be measured in how they protect one another, make their homes and live their lives.
With that I feel that animals could be to a certain degree more intelligent than humans.
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PostSubject: Re: Discussion Class Four: Magical Creatures, Intelligent?   Discussion Class Four: Magical Creatures, Intelligent? EmptySat Feb 02 2008, 15:10

I agree with Polly and Stephy and the others.

Magical Creatures can be intelligent but it depends on which ones. Some, like trolls, have almost no intelligence at all, but others such as hippogriffs, thestrals, goblins, and houselves are perfectly capable of responding to humans while trolls cannot understand humans in any way. Trolls are mostly used to protect something because I would think it was easier to bribe them to get them on your side, but as for the intelligent creatures mentioned above, I don't think the would be as easily bribed. Espicially not goblins who are known for secrecy and allegiance to their kind. So, like everyone said above, it would depend on the type of Magical Creature.
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PostSubject: Re: Discussion Class Four: Magical Creatures, Intelligent?   Discussion Class Four: Magical Creatures, Intelligent? EmptyMon Feb 04 2008, 15:16

I'm going to rule out any sorts of magical creatures that can speak, such as goblins or the like, because it is clear that they have some intelligence, and the points already made about them are ones that I agree with.

The idea of levels within the creatures (i.e. flobber worm is much less intelligent than a hippogriff) works. But I think we need to look at them in comparison to non-magical creatures. While a flobberworm seems to be at the bottom of the chain, I do believe that they are more intelligent than your average worm. I think that all magical creatures can communicate with one another, even the flobber worms. One example is the Re'em (I believe that is what they're called). It actually fights with itself, and each of its heads has a distinct personality. This would not be possible if it was a non-intelligent being. As for understanding humans, we have the example of Buckbeak saving Harry and Hermione. But someone we're forgetting is Hedwig, and all of her kind. They have been trained to know where anyone is in the world at any time. And to always return to their owner. That takes some serious intelligence. After all, some humans can't do that!

But, my main point is in agreeing with those who have posted above. While magical creatures are certainly intelligent and able to understand each other (in the case of the Re'em) and humans (Buckbeak, Hedwig, etc.); there are certainly layers of intelligence. Much as, amusingly, is the case with witches and wizards vs. muggles.
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This class is now closed, well done to all participants. Your points are below.

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