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streams of silver 5th Year
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| Subject: Re: Thoughts and Opinions Thread Wed Nov 22 2006, 13:57 | |
| Wowee Amy that is AMAZING. Perhaps I should reconsider my ban on PSP...though I still don't understand it. *sigh* | |
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Elana 5th Year
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| Subject: Re: Thoughts and Opinions Thread Wed Nov 22 2006, 15:14 | |
| omg Ducky *is in shock* That looks sooooo real. Streams, I really like that Uglies graphic (really good book- try it Elly ), but have to agree with what others have said about all the green. *has nothing against green but thinks it's just a little too much* | |
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MarieC 2nd Year
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| Subject: Re: Thoughts and Opinions Thread Wed Nov 22 2006, 19:38 | |
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cookiemonster 1st Year
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| Subject: Re: Thoughts and Opinions Thread Sun Nov 26 2006, 08:52 | |
| Even though I'm not a member of the Dark Arts, I did one of their challenges anyway So yeah.... thoughts? | |
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Amy Retired Deputy Head : 5th year
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| Subject: Re: Thoughts and Opinions Thread Sun Nov 26 2006, 08:55 | |
| That's great! And it reminds me I need to get a move on with my entry for that challenge...you should join and enter the challenge anyway! The only thing I would say is that the quality of the pics is a little blurry, but when working with pictures from that era, pixellated is what you tend to get anyway, so it's not your fault there lol. Something I did very quickly for a challenge on the CoS forums: | |
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cookiemonster 1st Year
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| Subject: Re: Thoughts and Opinions Thread Sun Nov 26 2006, 11:02 | |
| Tha's great, Amy! It scares me a little.... but I like it! Nice and Simple | |
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streams of silver 5th Year
Country : Regist. date : 2006-02-22 Number of posts : 6449 Age : 36 Location : (insert clever statement here) Real First Name : What is real? Warning : House : Hufflepuff, of course. I thought it was obvious... Crest : Wand : Exam not taken Award Bar :
| Subject: Re: Thoughts and Opinions Thread Sun Dec 03 2006, 00:40 | |
| here's the uglies graphic again...except this time I was using PSP. It's only the second thing I've ever done on PSP, so yeah...whatever. It's nowhere near as nice as the first uglies thingy I made. And it took me triple the time. But I'm learning. ;) And I would never have figured out PSP without Amy's help, so THANK YOU, DUCKIE DEAR. XD Also, is there any other way to get rid of the edge of an image besides covering it up with a brush? | |
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Siriusly Smooth 1st Year
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| Subject: Re: Thoughts and Opinions Thread Sun Dec 03 2006, 14:24 | |
| That's nice Streamy! You can blend the two pictures' edges together by raising the feathering level, or you can use the eraser brushy thing... I'm sorry, I'm not much of a help Alright, I did this by request from a friend... I kind of copied Cookie's cavas background in the process. Sorry! How can I improve this before I send it to my friend? | |
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Amy Retired Deputy Head : 5th year
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| Subject: Re: Thoughts and Opinions Thread Sun Dec 03 2006, 14:35 | |
| I like that Streams, it's good For the blending thing, you could try feathering the image, or using the eraser brush on the lowest hardness and at quite a large size. Sometimes this is a little imprecise though.. Another thing you could try is getting your rectangle selection tool, and changing it's shape to circle. Then where you have the option "Feather", set it to something like 20 or 30. If you then select over the middle of where you want to blend (making sure the circle isn't too big), and hit the delete key, it sort of blends things together. I don't know if that made sense...OK, here's a quick picture in case that didn't make sense: Here's a screencap where I've dumped one pic on top of another and am in the process of doing the circle thing: https://2img.net/h/oi12.tinypic.com/314dv1t.pngAnd here's what it looks like when I've done the circle blending thing: Austin, that's very bright but it's good! Nicely blended, although I would suggest saving as a .png image - it makes it a better quality.
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streams of silver 5th Year
Country : Regist. date : 2006-02-22 Number of posts : 6449 Age : 36 Location : (insert clever statement here) Real First Name : What is real? Warning : House : Hufflepuff, of course. I thought it was obvious... Crest : Wand : Exam not taken Award Bar :
| Subject: Re: Thoughts and Opinions Thread Sun Dec 03 2006, 14:35 | |
| hmm bright colors...not sure if I can help you, since I'm just getting used to PSP. oh and yeah I did increase the feathering in this one and didn't need to use a brush right down the middle of the graphic. EDIT: lol amy I like that one XD | |
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Siriusly Smooth 1st Year
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| Subject: Re: Thoughts and Opinions Thread Sun Dec 03 2006, 14:42 | |
| Very nice blending on that, Streamy! And thanks Amy, Imageshack always makes my graphics pixelly. | |
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Brunette 1st Year
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| Subject: Re: Thoughts and Opinions Thread Sun Dec 03 2006, 20:26 | |
| Wish I could do stuff like those!!! I've only done three and they weren't that great! They were all done in plain old Paint! lol
But i LOVE ALL OF THEM!!! You guys make me jealous at her graphic makin abilities! lmao! | |
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Amy Retired Deputy Head : 5th year
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| Subject: Re: Thoughts and Opinions Thread Tue Dec 05 2006, 10:23 | |
| Ooh, I like that latest one Streams, very good Lately I've been doing a few of the challenges at the CoS forums, where you're given a particular theme/text/base to work with. Here are some of the graphics I've made for that: Theme avatar: Arthur Base: Theme avatar: Bellatrix Theme banner: Honeydukes Theme signature: Magical Object Theme hanging: Stan Shunpike In that week, I won the following categories: theme hanging, theme banner, and I came second in: theme signature and base. | |
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streams of silver 5th Year
Country : Regist. date : 2006-02-22 Number of posts : 6449 Age : 36 Location : (insert clever statement here) Real First Name : What is real? Warning : House : Hufflepuff, of course. I thought it was obvious... Crest : Wand : Exam not taken Award Bar :
| Subject: Re: Thoughts and Opinions Thread Tue Dec 05 2006, 12:24 | |
| lol congratulations, amy! I especially like the magical object one, and I love the text in the stan one. | |
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cookiemonster 1st Year
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| Subject: Re: Thoughts and Opinions Thread Thu Dec 07 2006, 19:22 | |
| ooo, Everyone's are great! I just finished this, and I really want to improve it in any way. Be ruthless, people! | |
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Siriusly Smooth 1st Year
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| Subject: Re: Thoughts and Opinions Thread Fri Dec 08 2006, 15:38 | |
| That's good, Cookie! I like the whole old feeling it has. The only thing is that the "Please never leave again" sounds kind of odd. Maybe "Never leave again" or "Please don't leave again" would sound more flowy? | |
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Just_Ginny 1st Year
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| Subject: Re: Thoughts and Opinions Thread Sat Dec 09 2006, 14:46 | |
| Edit: This is the new version Amy helped me fix up ^.^ Love ya bunches and bunches Amy! This is the first graphic I made on a whim lol :D Be nice... XD | |
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Siriusly Smooth 1st Year
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| Subject: Re: Thoughts and Opinions Thread Tue Dec 12 2006, 17:57 | |
| That's nice Ginny Here's one that I just finished.... I'm not sure if I'm happy with it, as it's different than what I've done before... THoughts? | |
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cookiemonster 1st Year
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| Subject: Re: Thoughts and Opinions Thread Thu Dec 14 2006, 14:49 | |
| ahhhh, the guy on that is from National Treasure! I loved him! *huggles you and your banner* I like it, Austin | |
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mcfly_42 1st Year
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| Subject: Re: Thoughts and Opinions Thread Mon Dec 18 2006, 09:44 | |
| This is something I made as part as my friends Secret Santa present for christmas. I replaced Elizabeth in a picture of Elizabeth and Jack Kissing. What do you think? I think I needed to make her face a bit sharper. It's a tad blurred. | |
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Amy Retired Deputy Head : 5th year
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| Subject: Re: Thoughts and Opinions Thread Mon Dec 18 2006, 10:20 | |
| It's good Elly..although you're right about the bluriness. And..Ruby must look a helluva lot like Elizabeth, because on first glance it doesn't look much different to the original pic! | |
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littleprincess_01 5th Year
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| Subject: Re: Thoughts and Opinions Thread Tue Dec 19 2006, 02:37 | |
| lol ruby didnt want everyone to see this but..whatever.
it rocks eloise! | |
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Caroru HE Owl
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| Subject: Re: Thoughts and Opinions Thread Tue Dec 19 2006, 06:59 | |
| It looks like Jack's about to eat that girl xD It's great, Elly my dear ^^ *pulls Jack slowly to her* ...mine. | |
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Amy Retired Deputy Head : 5th year
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| Subject: Re: Thoughts and Opinions Thread Thu Dec 21 2006, 14:31 | |
| DA has a colourisation challenge on at the moment, and here's my attempt. The original pic: and my colourised version: | |
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streams of silver 5th Year
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| Subject: Re: Thoughts and Opinions Thread Thu Dec 21 2006, 14:37 | |
| wowee so AWESOME...one of these days I'm gonna make you explain how you do colourisations XD | |
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mcfly_42 1st Year
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| Subject: Re: Thoughts and Opinions Thread Thu Dec 21 2006, 14:39 | |
| no how did you do that...*ponders* I may have an Idea but i'm not sure...I will go into your room and find out. Right now! | |
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Siriusly Smooth 1st Year
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| Subject: Re: Thoughts and Opinions Thread Thu Dec 21 2006, 14:41 | |
| VOV, Amy, that look GREAT! Have you done a tutorial of colorizations yet here? If not, get to it! You did an awesome job! I't looks great! | |
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Amy Retired Deputy Head : 5th year
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| Subject: Re: Thoughts and Opinions Thread Thu Dec 21 2006, 17:45 | |
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Elana 5th Year
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| Subject: Re: Thoughts and Opinions Thread Thu Dec 21 2006, 19:44 | |
| Amy...you're amazing. They look so real! Perfect, completely perfect! | |
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Fated4HP 5th Year
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| Subject: Re: Thoughts and Opinions Thread Fri Dec 22 2006, 02:28 | |
| Wow amy they are really great! | |
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Amy Retired Deputy Head : 5th year
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| Subject: Re: Thoughts and Opinions Thread Fri Dec 22 2006, 12:36 | |
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MarieC 2nd Year
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| Subject: Re: Thoughts and Opinions Thread Fri Dec 22 2006, 19:33 | |
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romance lover 1st Year
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| Subject: Re: Thoughts and Opinions Thread Sat Dec 23 2006, 12:00 | |
| amy yours is pretty | |
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Siriusly Smooth 1st Year
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| Subject: Re: Thoughts and Opinions Thread Thu Dec 28 2006, 11:56 | |
| Here's something I just finished... It's kind of a new style for me, so I would love any tips on how to improve it. | |
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Amy Retired Deputy Head : 5th year
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| Subject: Re: Thoughts and Opinions Thread Thu Dec 28 2006, 12:20 | |
| Ooh Austin, that's great! I don't think anything needs to be changed, apart from the border. The red is a little bright. Try taking the colour out of the picture itself with the eyedropper tool - I think a darker red would look better. But otherwise great job EDIT: I found this pic earlier and thought it would be perfect for a Twilight graphic. Now I did this really really quickly, and I probably could have done something a lot better, but here it is anyway: | |
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cookiemonster 1st Year
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| Subject: Re: Thoughts and Opinions Thread Sat Jan 06 2007, 11:22 | |
| Wow, Austin, that's fantastic! Amy, that's really creepy.... but creepy in a good way! It's great | |
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mcfly_42 1st Year
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| Subject: Re: Thoughts and Opinions Thread Sat Jan 06 2007, 11:26 | |
| Austin thats great! But like amy said I'd make the border a bit darker. and amy thats great! Wish I could do graphics like that XD | |
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Elana 5th Year
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| Subject: Re: Thoughts and Opinions Thread Sat Jan 06 2007, 14:46 | |
| omg, AMY I LOVE IT! *is now in love with those books* Do you know when the next is coming? Ooh, that's really pretty Austin I agree about the border comments though- but other than that very nice! | |
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Amy Retired Deputy Head : 5th year
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| Subject: Re: Thoughts and Opinions Thread Tue Jan 09 2007, 05:47 | |
| Thanks everyone Elana, the next book is out in August, and it's called Eclipse. Anyway, here's a banner I've just done really quickly: | |
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streams of silver 5th Year
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| Subject: Re: Thoughts and Opinions Thread Tue Jan 09 2007, 19:36 | |
| hm that's nice amy...but you've done so many awesome ones that I'm spoiled by now...XD I like the twilight one! anway here finally is the last in the uglies trilogy. whaddaya think, guys? | |
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Elana 5th Year
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| Subject: Re: Thoughts and Opinions Thread Wed Jan 10 2007, 16:47 | |
| omg I love those books Streamers! I love the text, really nice. The only thing I can suggest is the tatoo on her forehead, maybe try to make it blend a bit more into her skin? *couldn't think of any other way to say it* Really good! | |
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MarieC 2nd Year
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| Subject: Re: Thoughts and Opinions Thread Fri Jan 12 2007, 17:18 | |
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Amy Retired Deputy Head : 5th year
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skuldandy 3rd Year
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| Subject: Re: Thoughts and Opinions Thread Sun Jan 14 2007, 14:46 | |
| Marie, those siggys are so beautiful i'm gonna run and make a request for you ^^
(: kiss | |
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Elana 5th Year
Country : Regist. date : 2006-04-16 Number of posts : 7562 Age : 32 Location : Ra-Ra-Ra-Raaaaavenclaw Tower Real First Name : Elana Warning : House : RAVENCLAW! Crest : Wand : Willow and Unicorn Tail Hair Award Bar :
| Subject: Re: Thoughts and Opinions Thread Sun Jan 14 2007, 17:02 | |
| *huggles amy and her icons* They're so awesome! I looooove those books now as you know, hehe. And Marie those are really good! I like the blue one the best | |
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Elfie Dumbledore Retired Headmistress : Mick, Snape, The Doctor and Edward Cullen - the men in my life!!
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| Subject: Re: Thoughts and Opinions Thread Mon Jan 15 2007, 10:16 | |
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cookiemonster 1st Year
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| Subject: Re: Thoughts and Opinions Thread Mon Jan 15 2007, 10:43 | |
| Those are loffly, Elfie. Especially the Johnny Depp one Here is one I just finished... it may be my best blend yet :D THoughts? | |
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Elfie Dumbledore Retired Headmistress : Mick, Snape, The Doctor and Edward Cullen - the men in my life!!
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| Subject: Re: Thoughts and Opinions Thread Mon Jan 15 2007, 13:47 | |
| I really like that cookie! I dont think that there is anything I would suggest to change - it is really good. I did some icons for a challenge where you take a 100x100 image and make it into an icon of your own. Here is the outcome: | |
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cookiemonster 1st Year
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| Subject: Re: Thoughts and Opinions Thread Mon Jan 15 2007, 15:18 | |
| Those are nice, Elife! You did a good job I just finished this Luna Lovegood banner... you see, I set myself to the challenge of finding a photoshoot on Foto Decadent and then using it to make a HP graphic... it turned out all right, I guess How can I improve this? | |
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Elfie Dumbledore Retired Headmistress : Mick, Snape, The Doctor and Edward Cullen - the men in my life!!
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| Subject: Re: Thoughts and Opinions Thread Mon Jan 15 2007, 15:24 | |
| Again, I really like that - you are really good at graphics The only think I could suggest is perhaps a change in font? It looks like 'funa' :D Otherwise very good Ok, like you, I seem to be on a roll tonight. I have just done this following graphics for a challenge: | |
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